GE / Polling Day on 07-May-2011
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I just don't like the fact that opposition party candidates go missing after losing the election instead of executing programmes to show that their ideas/leaders are feasible. There must be something they can do. I hope after this 2011 GE, win or loss, , since they have so many capable people in their team, they will work on their 'track record'. This way, in another 5 years down the road, they will have something to show.
PatheinRaindropMoe
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heh, its not just opposition disappearing lah, including pap fellas as well...
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/282914/1/.html
When contacted, Mr Sitoh said he had “no immediate plans” to resume his activities, including meet-the-people sessions, in Potong Pasir. According to grassroots leaders, residents have probably seen the last of the famous $2 shark’s fin soup and abalone porridge dished out at community events in the past.
Mr Sitoh’s right-hand man Chua Kian Meng said no community outreach events have been held since the elections. “So far, there’s been nothing. There’s also nothing planned,” he said
hehe, and more, what happen after the 06 election.
http://wert-sg.blogspot.com/2006/08/chiam-and-sitoh.html
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/282914/1/.html
When contacted, Mr Sitoh said he had “no immediate plans” to resume his activities, including meet-the-people sessions, in Potong Pasir. According to grassroots leaders, residents have probably seen the last of the famous $2 shark’s fin soup and abalone porridge dished out at community events in the past.
Mr Sitoh’s right-hand man Chua Kian Meng said no community outreach events have been held since the elections. “So far, there’s been nothing. There’s also nothing planned,” he said
hehe, and more, what happen after the 06 election.
http://wert-sg.blogspot.com/2006/08/chiam-and-sitoh.html
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fangface
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Not entirely their fault the Opposition go missing. Opposition parties are non profit organisations, the people have their own full time jobs. What ever they do, the money comes from their own pockets and personal sponsorship. Unlike the ruling party, they have money at their disposal as they collect revenue from us. I'm not really disturbed about the upkeeping of my estate, as mine is fairly new and tidy. What i'm more concerned about is looking at the big picture, like cost of living, security and bread and butter issues.
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I'll be really really sad when the PAP is eventually replaced by another party.
It may be true that the population is now facing much bigger problems than in the near past. But really, all the policies are put in place for a reason.
You can't just elect your leader based on what he can do for you. It's what he can do for the country. And the country is not just about the people. It's about the economy, about Singapore's standing in the world, about our long term future as a nation. The more opposition the PAP has, the slower our progress will be.
This is the 21st century. On a world-wide scale, we are facing a very very different set of problems. Apart from Singapore's changing role in the world economy (i.e from manufacturing in the 70s and 80s, to IT Hub in the 90s, to R&D and Tourism from 2000s onwards), we also need to remember that this very planet, our Earth will be changing within the next 100 years more than ever before.
We will soon be facing an Oil Crisis, a Population Crisis, and a possible worldwide Energy Crisis. People tend to forget to look at the big picture, and end up caring only about themselves. Can i buy houses at a cheaper price? Can i bid for a COE at a cheaper price? Can my Chicken Rice be cheaper?
Men like Low Thia Kiang can make your life better. But can he actually make the nation better? Can he even comprehend where we are now as a nation? Our position in ASEAN? The importance of our relations with rising nations like China and India? Our position in the world?
There is a saying often used in European nations, "The general public are idiots". When i see my peers saying things like "It's time for the PAP to go" or "I hope Lee Kuan Yew dies soon", i sincerely grieve for the future of our people.
What's happening now, is really reminiscent of Indonesia's ousting of President Suharto. When Suharto was in power, Indonesia was an economic powerhouse. It had the strongest navy in southeast asia, and was a force to be reckoned with. Immediately after he was overthrown, Indonesia became the nation that we know today. Weak, divided, hardly progressing, and also, a breeding ground for terrorism.
By now, you probably can see that i hold many Elitist views. But take a moment to think about what i just said. I hope i have changed your views about the politics in Singapore.
It may be true that the population is now facing much bigger problems than in the near past. But really, all the policies are put in place for a reason.
You can't just elect your leader based on what he can do for you. It's what he can do for the country. And the country is not just about the people. It's about the economy, about Singapore's standing in the world, about our long term future as a nation. The more opposition the PAP has, the slower our progress will be.
This is the 21st century. On a world-wide scale, we are facing a very very different set of problems. Apart from Singapore's changing role in the world economy (i.e from manufacturing in the 70s and 80s, to IT Hub in the 90s, to R&D and Tourism from 2000s onwards), we also need to remember that this very planet, our Earth will be changing within the next 100 years more than ever before.
We will soon be facing an Oil Crisis, a Population Crisis, and a possible worldwide Energy Crisis. People tend to forget to look at the big picture, and end up caring only about themselves. Can i buy houses at a cheaper price? Can i bid for a COE at a cheaper price? Can my Chicken Rice be cheaper?
Men like Low Thia Kiang can make your life better. But can he actually make the nation better? Can he even comprehend where we are now as a nation? Our position in ASEAN? The importance of our relations with rising nations like China and India? Our position in the world?
There is a saying often used in European nations, "The general public are idiots". When i see my peers saying things like "It's time for the PAP to go" or "I hope Lee Kuan Yew dies soon", i sincerely grieve for the future of our people.
What's happening now, is really reminiscent of Indonesia's ousting of President Suharto. When Suharto was in power, Indonesia was an economic powerhouse. It had the strongest navy in southeast asia, and was a force to be reckoned with. Immediately after he was overthrown, Indonesia became the nation that we know today. Weak, divided, hardly progressing, and also, a breeding ground for terrorism.
By now, you probably can see that i hold many Elitist views. But take a moment to think about what i just said. I hope i have changed your views about the politics in Singapore.
Indonesia-an economic powerhouse?! Under Suharto, Indonesia achieved some growth but at the expense of the lower class Indonesians! C'mon, the Indonesian Chinese who only made up of 3% of Indonesia's population controls more than 40% of Indonesia's economy under Suharto! And corruption and cronyism eventually led to economic problems in Indonesia in the late 1980s and early 1990s! Furthermore, the financial crisis in 1997 was further exacerbated by Suharto's own doing prior to the crisis and during the crisis.
I don't really care how PAP fares in the past or whatsoever. It's true that PAP had done well, but the verb is "had". What makes you think they are doing awesome now or they can do awesome in the future? PAP has done themselves no favours either by resorting to smear tactics almost every other elections! The current line of PAP leaders are too arrogant for their own sake.
Inflation rate is increasing and the people's salaries have barely increased! So tell me, do you think PAP is really faring well now? Do you really think their policies are working? It's not just rising costs, you know. Singapore has one of the poorest Gini coefficient of 0.45 amongst developed countries. Do you know what that means? It means the income gap between the upper class and the lower class is really really huge. Does it make sense that the rich gets richer but the poor gets poorer? Let's not even talk about inflation affecting people's income!
With all the arrogance PAP is exuding, I really do not think so they are able to come up with better ideas to solve our problems. Do you think that giving out growth dividends every year is a good policy to adopt? C'mon, the government needs some shaking-up. It needs some other people who are equally capable or even more capable to think of fresh ideas. PAP is going stale, mate.
Vote wisely. Vote for the parties whose elections manifestos are clearer and more succinct(PAP's manifesto felt like a complete ambiguous piece of work)! Vote for the people who truly deserve the seats in parliament. Vote for change!
ridethetiger
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The country is made up of every single one of us including you,our forefathers have contributed their fair share of life and hardwork too. where is the 'pie in the sky' progress u are talking about? empty talks without a concrete plan is just daydreams.
And do you think only the PAP knows how to handle 'terrorism" or provide maximum security for people in general?
ridethetiger
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As long as the number of foreigners are fixed at a number comfortable for all singaporeans,do you think we will have a population crisis?
Problems which arises within the country has to be solved by it's own people. Do you know Low has a far greater command of mandarin than most parliament members? and i am sure there are Indians in WP also. They can do the public relations with India.
By saying "the public are idiots" mean to keep them under your control,which can't be forever.
That's exactly what i'm talking about. it's about whether you choose to look at the big picture, or not.
Anyway, i can't argue with you because i definitely will not win.
But let me just say this, when i can't afford a house or a car, i won't blame the government. I'll blame myself and work even harder.
Anyway, i can't argue with you because i definitely will not win.
But let me just say this, when i can't afford a house or a car, i won't blame the government. I'll blame myself and work even harder.
ridethetiger
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I am not arguing with you. You see the whole economy depends again on the people who strives and achieve that standard right? if more and more people is feeling the heat and in the long run as you like to say, what will be the ultimate outcome? I'm sure u can forsee it quite clearly. But let me tell u, your attitude is noble, you blame yourself. But how long you gonna live with yourself?
Sorry mate, but economics will tell you that working harder isn't the way out.
Working harder isn't going to help. You literally have to make a breakthrough.
But we have to face it. Not everyone will make it. There will always be the rich, and the poor. No one can change that. There is no such thing as a balance in this world.
Anyway, of all the political parties in Singapore, i'm sure you'd agree that only the PAP is capable of forming a government that can actually lead the country.
I feel that our government should have as little opposition as possible because i strongly believe that there are going to massive upcoming problems Singapore is going to face. When i said "population crisis", i wasn't talking about Singapore. I was talking about the world's population crisis. Courteousy of the outrageous problems faced by India, China and African regions.
From today, 2011, to the year 2200 or 2300, there is a high chance that the human race won't make it. I just think that we should see things from the world's perspective, rather than the "i can't afford a house fast enough" perspective.
The welfare of the people of Singapore is important, but it is not the most important thing. "What is the most important thing, then?" I don't actually know how to answer that question in written language.
But i can try illustrating what i'm trying to say with an example: the soft.com forums. Mr James can simply go all out to please the members of soft.com by taking away all those annoying advertisements and $0.50 charges for additional classified ads.
But what will that do to the forums? Lack of revenue will lead to insufficient funds needed for necessary software upgrades and problem solving.
That's what i meant. The welfare of the people is important, but it's not the most important thing.
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ridethetiger
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The term 'opposition' is taken slightly out of context here. Do you think SDP/WP/SDA/RP/NSP when secured some seats in the parliament will surely oppose every bill and decision the govt. has to make? I am sure, when it is logical and good enough, it will be the best decision made for whatever future 'problems' gonna come to Singapore. So instead of lesser opposition, i feel the more the better.
Honestly, I disagree. The Opposition might have trouble getting candidates but I think their candidates are equally if not even better qualified to at least get a seat in the parliament. The current mantle of PAP is still the older leaders but what makes you the new candidates of PAP can form a good government or be ministerial material?
And to be frank, I don't believe in any form of governments. It's just that I have to live under one so I have to make sure that the government is able to give me everything that a government should(or else why are they voted to "lead" and get paid with so much money?)! And eh if you want to look in a global picture, you'll never think Singapore's overcrowded, too expensive, etc. But all these matters, yeah? I am damn sure you had at least taken a train during peak hours in recent years. So tell me, do you think our problems in Singapore are more relevant or global oil prices are more of our concern?
hahah. Your view may be correct. We'll never know until we see what happens next.
I'm just the kind of person that thinks a leader should be given as much authority as possible, to be able to lead effectively and decisively.
Spread the power among too many people, and you get a neither here nor there nation.
In fact, i'm the supporter of a new kind of world order. An order that will unite all nations in the globe to become one kingdom. To be ruled by one power.
That way, we'll see our global problems actually being solved. Am i starting to sound like some Illuminati sh*t?
I'm just the kind of person that thinks a leader should be given as much authority as possible, to be able to lead effectively and decisively.
Spread the power among too many people, and you get a neither here nor there nation.
In fact, i'm the supporter of a new kind of world order. An order that will unite all nations in the globe to become one kingdom. To be ruled by one power.
That way, we'll see our global problems actually being solved. Am i starting to sound like some Illuminati sh*t?
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Global Oil Prices! Haha. I really think so!
I mean seriously, i don't mind going through even more hardship than now, if it's for the good of the entire human race.
I've been in crowded trains before. The kind where you're literally sandwiched, squashed in a sea of human bodies. And i have questioned the effectiveness of our leaders before, if they can't even solve a problem as simple as this.
But putting that aside, it just depends on which perspective you choose to take. I choose a more 'global' perspective. I don't think there is right or wrong.
In a way, you are correct too. You strive to elect a voice that will actually fight for the improvement of your quality of life. I can see your point.
ridethetiger
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New world order is fine and good, but whether the one power that is leading it is an Antichrist opposed to basic human's morality and ethics or not is another matter all together. You can't really invest all your rights n freedom into a sole entity unless u are asking for absolute trouble.
ymmak
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I agree with you that when we vote, we should vote for the team that can actually make the nation better, such as the economy as a whole, Singapore's position in ASEAN, the importance of our relations with rising nations like China and India etc... But not everyone, especially at this moment in time, thinks that way, because not everyone values national prestige or economic progress over their own bread and butter issues. And further, not everybody thinks that the more the opposition, the slower our progress.
Anyway, I dont think that what's happening now is reminiscent of Indonesia's ousting of President Suharto. President Suharto's fall was mainly triggered by the Asian Financial Crisis in 1997, compounded by issues such as crony capitalism (where most of the country's most profitable businesses are in the hands of his 300 friends, relatives and close allies), huge debt owe to IMF, and massive inflation due to excessive currency depreciation. Their problem in 1997 was, imo, due to years of inefficient government and resources allocation, that culminated in the Asia Financial Crisis. In fact, after Suharto, now under the stewardship of Bambang, I feel that Indonesia is picking up pretty fast, and is a fairer place for investment, a better place to live in than before. So what happened in Indonesia was a result of poor governance. But what is brewing in Singapore, is more like rebellion against a competent government.
Anyway, imho, I think that some PAP heavyweights should, or must, stay in power, because these cabinet ministers are really the cornerstones for our nation. They are PM, DPM, finance minister, minister of trade and industry, foreign minister, law minister, education minister, defense minister, home affair minister (though I like him to be changed to another PAP guy, really), and minister for national development (but I prefer another more competent PAP guy to take over). The other cabinet ministers, in my opinion, are not really critical, in the sense that even with their absence, the whole system will not be jeopardized.
Ah yes. You are correct. Such as the case with countries like Myanmar.
Dictatorship is what we call it. In most cases, it just leads to rampant corruption.
But looking at the world now, don't you think we're in a mess... Tribes in North Africa are still fighting over villages. People in the Middle East are still fighting over land. Some organisations are regularly killing civilians in the name of whoever they call 'God'.
Sometimes, it takes a dictator to take the herd in hand. Just like a pack of wolves is always led by the Alpha male.
ridethetiger
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Seriously,i like your stance on how u feel what a leader should be given. Are you a bandleader or something like that in your band(s) if u are in any?