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Its a discussion about personal perceptions.What your classical teacher has taught you is just his/her peception.Can it be agreed universally?Will all music theorists in the world sit down and say yes?Will there be room for people with different perceptions somewhere out there ?I am sure that there are many others out there who can refute or disagree.
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Wait. We're talking about music theory here right? The same music theory that's 100% quantifiable? That basically is about a bunch of old men and women in some university in the UK who have established an entire curriculum which has maintained itself throughout the ages. This same method of musical notation is very much known today as a single standard of writing. Where on earth do personal perceptions or opinions come into this? It's like you're telling me A is not A, but F, because you perceive it to be so. Uh... right.

If you wana be attention grabbing and controversial then please by all means stop regurgitating your influenced beliefs into my face whilst citing lame life-history lessons of your formative years. So stop getting your panties all twisted up eh.
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wah... why you so like dat? did I just kill your cat or break your guitar? If you don't like to read my views, then by all means, don't read them. This is a public forum. I can post anything that's relevant to a discussion. You have the choice NOT to read it.

I don't know what it feels like to have your panties in a twist. Why don't you tell me since you seem to have all the experience?

Sorry I still don't agree that one can equate primitive with basic in this context.sue me.
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Sure. That's your views. This is a discussion. You air yours, I air mine. You don't like it, then don't discuss. No one's forcing anything down your throat wat. Dun agree then dun agree lor. Very big deal meh? Since you're smart enough to quote Descartes, I assume you would have basic knowledge of debate and discussion.

And, BTW, I'm still waiting for you to tell me which is it? I think therefore I am? or I think therefore I am?
 
oh well ... sorry i pooped on your blues discussion.

I didnt aim to offend anyone in my posts. maybe just a small nudge at cow la cus there he was being all "im so above the blues" i just have this problem with people who get too elitist - on or offline.

and i posted my personal opinion.. it wasnt endorsed by any of my "Peers"

i did bump into you at malcoms... that was ages ago man ...
haha it was genuinely nice seeing , you , ciel and edo there...

However~ you werent being "shredcow" at malcom's i guess...
u were just being daniel. That was where i got my "shredcow's actually a nice guy" from. i mean everyone probably knows you are a nice guy... just that the stuff u say online gives people the wrong impression.
 
i got an idea ..... all you fellas get together jam the blues ??? 8O

How ??

havin bad migrain here ...i need help ....come on fellas !!
 
being a musician - one must not let his personal opinion and ego eclipse what is truly important. The Actual music being created.

yes, i prefer to play things that people like to hear. As opposed to just playing what i like. Being open minded and trying to enjoy what someone else likes to hear is "embracing music" on a whole is it not?
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Oh, btw, for what it's worth, I do agree with this here that ChanMin said, if a bit over simplified. But this is the bare truth.
 
Wait. We're talking about music theory here right? The same music theory that's 100% quantifiable? That basically is about a bunch of old men and women in some university in the UK who have established an entire curriculum which has maintained itself throughout the ages. This same method of musical notation is very much known today as a single standard of writing. Where on earth do personal perceptions or opinions come into this? It's like you're telling me A is not A, but F, because you perceive it to be so. Uh... right.
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I guess you're right.

wah... why you so like dat? did I just kill your cat or break your guitar? If you don't like to read my views, then by all means, don't read them. This is a public forum. I can post anything that's relevant to a discussion. You have the choice NOT to read it.

I don't know what it feels like to have your panties in a twist. Why don't you tell me since you seem to have all the experience?
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I guess you're right again.Oh "panties in a twist?"-Read above statement

Sure. That's your views. This is a discussion. You air yours, I air mine. You don't like it, then don't discuss. No one's forcing anything down your throat wat. Dun agree then dun agree lor. Very big deal meh? Since you're smart enough to quote Descartes, I assume you would have basic knowledge of debate and discussion.
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Wow, that was my form of debating tactic btw.But yes you're right again.

And, BTW, I'm still waiting for you to tell me which is it? I think therefore I am? or I think therefore I am?
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I don't know what to think now.But whatever it is, you should be right lah.You can also choose to ignore this message.
 
ChanMin, frankly, I was not being elitist.

My problem is - I don't get the blues... just like how someone can't get Rap music. I keep on analysing the scales used... the band dynamics... the singer's pitching - I can't help it, I'm over-technical, the anti-thesis of blues.

There's nothing elitist at that - in fact, I find it a FLAW, that's why I discuss and ask, weird as it may be.

I've heard it one too many times - how can a modern day guitarist not know the blues?

I don't know the blues.

I envy people who can play the blues because I can't.

Yet at the end of the day, they all say, if its not for you then its not for you lah... like "white man can't rap" you know? But I'm stubborn, so I'd try... at least appreciating it gets somewhere.

Hopefully.
 
But you see ah... my problem with your problem with "good blues" is that if I show you a guitarist playing strictly pentatonics, there's likelyhood that you might just dismiss it, when you might be missing the bigger picture. Would you think that your basis for judgement might be a bit too narrow scoped? I dunno ah, I'm just guessing. This is from seeing your reaction to SRV's Little Wing seen above.

There's a passage in that version where he does a single 2 note hammer on pull off, then rakes the 6 strings in a desparate fashion. This reminded me if someone straining at something, then eventually letting go a gasp of relief. And I think this is what he wanted to convey. If that's not masterful execution of emotion thru playing, then I don't know what is...
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Interesting! Okay... this is interesting... gotta think a little now about your 1st para...



I hear you on the 2nd paragraph. Yes. I see the modern equivalent in Vai thrashing on the floyd rose - all that... "noise"... to me, was like crashing waves of emotion.

I understood SRV's expression in what SRV did....

That was something I tried to get out of my system - that is to be less stiff. Move more, move with the music, and beat the hell out of the guitar - get it to make the sounds you want. Which resulted in my custom having a natural finish because - I wanted to thrash it, not baby it. Now, for me to get to performing like that... hmmmm....
 
i got an idea ..... all you fellas get together jam the blues ??? Shocked

How ??

havin bad migrain here ...i need help ....come on fellas !!
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Goose.

I shall quote Edo83's famous comments to me... when we were improvising over similar backing tracks.

"Dude, its BLUES, not Alien Love Sex!"

That's... what will happen. :lol:
 
That was something I tried to get out of my system - that is to be less stiff. Move more, move with the music, and beat the hell out of the guitar - get it to make the sounds you want. Which resulted in my custom having a natural finish because - I wanted to thrash it, not baby it. Now, for me to get to performing like that... hmmmm....
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I think you're not the only one facing this problem. Most other guitarists I know seem to be able to play different notes, and phrase their lines similar to they way I hear these top guitarists do. For some reason, I just can't. I cann't accentuate notes with picking styles. I can't sweep, I can't tap properly. The only thing I can do is pick relatively fast, and scale. Then again, up to today, with lack of practice, I have slowed down a lot. So maybe I chose the blues as a means ot escapism.... whahaha... But it's true that I feel most natural there. :oops: :lol: :P :wink: (I guess I'm just lazy... :P )

It's like my playing is stuck within certain confines which I can't get out of. I know how it's supposed to be done, I know what I'm supposed to do, but my hands seem to refuse to do it! I used to be able to play DT, Malmsteen Satriani and Vai stuff. I just can't do it anymore. I can't even feel myself playing anymore when I try "For The Love Of God". It feels too mechanical. But, have to keep practicing to bring it back again... :wink:

I think there's something you should hear if you haven't already... The real track actually starts at 1:50.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsVvajNut1o

Of, if you don't have the patience to sit thru the solo, then here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnhRNxnTNeM

An all time favourite of mine. Awesome, no? Makes me want to buy a Gretsch... :lol:
 
yeah ...yeah.... :lol:

Go snuffy.... go snuff go ....!!

I sometimes don't like the blues....especially during cat mating season :?
 
I like the tone he gets, I actually own one of his concert DVDs, and that song, ...*waves up at ritchie valens
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Ya man... I wonder if you can get that kind of tone or similar buying an Ibanez Artcore AF125 and putting in the TV jones pickups...
 
Well, a major reason why we can't fully emulate those top guitarists is because...

We're not them!


How many interviews (lets assume they are un-edited. Heh.) have you read where a top guitarist complains about his issues trying to emulate his childhood guitar hero? And it comes to a point - the top guitarist just gave up and decided to do things his way?

I don't think its natural to emulate - though some have the knack for it... - so I'd propose doing it your way... tweaking the piece, injecting a little bit of yourself inside.

To that end - I'm cool with Setzer's (which I've heard before, top notch!) take on SleepWalk! It might be like... exactly true to the original and I certainly wouldn't theme it as a "sleepwalk" now but... its Setzer thru and thru. Only Setzer does it that way.

Perhaps, the reason why people turn to the blues as they get older is because blues being, at its base form, an intimate form of musical expression, the results of playing the blues (i.e. letting your feelings out) are more tangible?
So after spending the time... (most) musicians tend to realise that covering another artiste isn't exactly what they want to do. So they turn to the music that has the strongs links of heart & soul to guitar & fingers...
However, perhaps, people like Vai for example - found their own means of expression, so they no long feel the need to have a "return to form" so to speak.
 
Shredcow

you might be comforted to know that Steve Vai himself voiced similar sentiments about the blues. He just can't get into it.
Some things we just cannot force ourselves to like.
 
Vaiyen, actually... just one word comes to mind right now, when I see you.

Megadeth

8)

And I don't care if its random!
 
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