Please stop it with the selling of tickets to perform. Just stop it.

[Studio+79]

Soft,

ok the bands that i dont get from soft i get directly from myspace.

So what are u trying to imply?

 

[soft]

I am trying to see how SOFT can reach out to more bands. Get more people onto SOFT. Can you help me?

 

[Studio+79]

You realise the 'gigs' I organised are all paid for by me? I think that is even 'cooler' than asking the bands/musicians to share the cost. You know how I do it? I work hard everyday to make some income, minus all my expenses, put the extra money to execute these ideas I have.

I have 1 pair of shoes, my last pair was 7 years old. Most of my t-shirts are free (sports events, music events). 1 pair of Lee jeans + 2 pair of pants.

I am not putting you down but I want you to understand how we can achieve what we want. There will be a lot of sacrifice but DON'T make others sacrifice. Sacrifice to our own limitation.

ok but im not telling the bands to sacrifice anything.

Im not telling anyone to sacrifice anything.

Im sorry i dont earn as much as u, having some extra cash to organise a gig all by myself.

im glad you're proud of your sacrifices, having just 1 pair of shoes and wearing free tshirts.

All I am trying to say since just now is that gigs should be organized differently. A win2 situation for both bands and organizer.not just organizer.

This is going nowhere. fine, im sorry i started this thread.

just close this damn thread already

for those pissed with me, so be it. this is my point of view.

maybe I should make bands start selling tickets too.

 

[1800-GAMEBOY]

I am trying to see how SOFT can reach out to more bands. Get more people onto SOFT. Can you help me?

for starters you should change the picture on the right to something that represents music rather then pokemon look-a-likes.

its just my opinion.

 

[soft]

for starters you should change the picture on the right to something that represents music rather then pokemon look-a-likes.

If you can help me create something to replace that, it would be great.

 

[extremers]

maybe I should make bands start selling tickets too.

ok bro, look, this is ridiculous, this thread is straying away from it's original point.

Studio+79, you're pointing and stressing out the advantages of a collection of effort to make a DIY / independent gig. suddenly it went out of hand and context and it became a thread filled with calling out organizers and who's not doing what enough. before one can ask whether others are pulling their weight or not, they should measure their effort first.

if you say that you should make bands selling tickets you're no better than any of them.

dude, the point is, if you plan to make one gig, go on to "Bands Wanted" and drop a post calling all bands who's interested to DIY, explain the system and see the response. i've been around enough to see all sorts of systems from big shows to small jamming room ones and believe it or not, they have bands who were attracted to each system.

trying to instill your thoughts to sway away from P2P won't work here, it's been an argument topic since the local band, Fuzzbox, was around.

calling out other organizers is pointless, instead it made you look you're bitter that your system didn't appeal to the number of bands you wished it would. different strokes for different folks. some go for pepsi and some go for coke.

if you're PASSIONATE about music, you just do what you think and feel is right. get that support and make it real. screw what people say and just do it.

 

[jskadiang]

Studio+79, you should know that making threads would result in a clash of opinions. That's the whole point of a forum. Your sarcasm and needless aggression makes you come across as a huge douche.

 

[1800-GAMEBOY]

If you can help me create something to replace that, it would be great.

ill try my best boss

 

[lordie]

i think u guys miss the point totally abt gigs, etc..

get the fundamental right. bands need to be good, need to be ready, need to learn to market themselves to their friends, fans and indulge in viral marketing. some bands take 1-2 yrs some take more than 15 yrs.

dun complain abt paid to play gigs. they are there to serve a purpose, whatever that maybe. if u dun like it dun go to the gig, dun pay for them, dun play. if others do it its their problem. other band might think p2p is a good initial investment to get their band known or get gig experience, etc..etc.. but than if other gig organizer do a share all 50/50 and profit 50/50 and u think its a good idea support them. up to you to decide what is good for your band and what is the investment needed.

and if u want to get paid for a gig for the type of music u wanna play? it can happened, dedication, patience and passion. stop whining and practice, compose new songs, get creative. surprise the folks here.

a reason example is the tomahawk 4 fest. my band and nafrat got invited to play in HKG to play alongside Hydrophobia (japan), Revilement (Twn) its a small gig and we need to make an initial investment of airfare but accommodation,transport and food is provided. we calculated and think its a good investment to showcase singapore metal to HKG and get mileage for the band as well.

the organizer is well organised! swear to god. great food, visit other local hkg gigs, PR, networking with other gig organisers in HKG.

the set-up is 100% professional. the backline is amazing peavey 6505+ with full marshall stack. ampeq svt3pro with swr cab. tons of monitoring speakers, killer PA. amazing lovelovelovelovelovelovelove sound. professional sound engineers, roadies, crews, etc..

tix price is HKD$200. we did our homework we print some t-shirt, badges, brought our CD's, and we sold for HKD$210 for everything or HKD$110 for CDs, etc. and we almost sold out our inventories accept for a few, but a bunch of really sad fans coz the t-shirts sizes they want are sold out.

in all we play to a crowd of around 200. we did not get paid. but we got back HKD$3500++ minus commission for the sales girl from merchandise sale, we got a bunch of nice hot chicks to sell for us and my gf is just amazing manning and managing the booth! All the hardsell sales tactic was in full force.

So the story is. SG even tho the gig scene has been around since early 90's during Substation, WTC, a few here and there for a long long time. nothing has change. but what change are the bands. some go on European tour, tour asia. release CD's play in a few nice big festivals. play in japan, write for NDP 2009 theme song, etc..etc...etc...

Focus on your band, focus on your music, make sound investment decision. Dun just slam p2p gig unless you already become a rockstar.

pics of the gig is here - http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=136447&id=62484222124

dun forget to join up!

 

[Studio+79]

Studio+79, you should know that making threads would result in a clash of opinions. That's the whole point of a forum. Your sarcasm and needless aggression makes you come across as a huge douche.

i apologise for my needless sarcasm and aggresion towards Soft or any other users.

I just wanted to come here with an idea.
To change things for the better.

But Ive realised I can't change everyone's perception on things. I guess I was just being too hopeful.

Thanks to everyone who is for it.
And everyone against it and think that its ridiculous, I cant change your opinions and views.

I just want to say, people, please do it for the music, local music.
music first. then everything else.

Coz in the end, we are all here to support the local music scene.

 

[seekz]

Wow Lordie, AWESOME STUFF!! Looks like a hell a lot of fun.

 

[lordie]

yeah it was a blast... the crowd and all so young.. make me feel so damn old ;p.

 

[hudajie]

ill try my best boss

Wow, GAMEBOY, u r the MAN now! to create a new picture for SOFT!
We are ALL looking forward to your creation.
Any target date for the preview? =)

Thanks in advance!

 

[hudajie]

Hello Studio+79..

and all of those who are doing it for free, for the mere passion of music, especially for the local scene..

Running non-profit, volunteer etc activities is definitely no easy task.
And we are not talking about just 1 show, 10 gigs, 100 gatherings..
We are talking about sustaining for years.. 5 years, 10 years, 20 years.. of contributions in this noble manner..

So, we really appreciate your time, effort and passion!

hey Studio+79,
have you already some non-profit gigs lined up for the next 3 months?
Maybe you can let us know now so that friends here can start signing up and support YOU all the way !!!

 

[hudajie]

Hello Studio+79..

and all of those who are doing it for free, for the mere passion of music, especially for the local scene..

Running non-profit, volunteer etc activities is definitely no easy task.
And we are not talking about just 1 show, 10 gigs, 100 gatherings..
We are talking about sustaining for years.. 5 years, 10 years, 20 years.. of contributions in this noble manner..

So, we really appreciate your time, effort and passion!

hey Studio+79,
have you already some non-profit gigs lined up for the next 3 months?
Maybe you can let us know now so that friends here can start signing up and support YOU all the way !!!

p/s:
We really can't stop others from doing what we don't like/disagree with but
we certainly can stop ourselves from doing/supporting all those.
Maybe it's more fruitful if we focus on what we can do, and do it really well..

ok, I'm going for my dinner now.. I do that well =))

 

[SmFizz]

i support the TS too, and seriously who are you guys to tell him he's not doing enough? when we're not doing anything at all?

just something i had to get off my chest.

 

[SmFizz]

Well, i remember seeing someone asking him to stop whining.... wth.
anyway, i'm not here to criticize. Apologies if you thought i was directing something at any of u.

 

[jutawansg]

Come on, organiser make some profit but must not overcharged

Neutral standpoint,

Organiser make profit
Bands get exposure

Perfect combinations

organiser MUST NOT overcharged!

 

[levitation]

business? up yours. the money those bands paid to play , can be used to record a demo at least.sooner or later we all must pay to post a thread or even worst... to reply a thread.because all these people are professionals and did 1000s of gigs and are businessmen.

 

[jskadiang]

^ I have no idea what you just said.