Boutique Gear: When did you fall for them?
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Haha... okay Goose. 
Anyway, I'll go figure it out somehow. Either I'm not reading the posts properly or I'm being silly. Prob get someone out for coffee and talk abt it.
Its merely curiousity and to answer the question of obtaining an open-sounding op-amp based dirt pedal.
Anyway, I'll go figure it out somehow. Either I'm not reading the posts properly or I'm being silly. Prob get someone out for coffee and talk abt it.
Its merely curiousity and to answer the question of obtaining an open-sounding op-amp based dirt pedal.
gsonique
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Hey Shred ...its all abt havin differant flavours ...not just a one trick pony.
Every circuit has it pros and cons but at the end of the day u play the pedal right...not the other way around ya.
Trust me on this ...there will come a time you will get tired of the cascaded tranny pedals and do the "boxxed up" tango again>>>just maybe!!
Every circuit has it pros and cons but at the end of the day u play the pedal right...not the other way around ya.
Trust me on this ...there will come a time you will get tired of the cascaded tranny pedals and do the "boxxed up" tango again>>>just maybe!!
yeah... you are right. I'm glad I can still play with op amp pedals! :lol:
Hehehe..
But yeah, I'm not trying to be mule-headed, i'm trying to learn and figure out stuff. Its my tonal preference and its what I've been hearing all along, so thats all. When I ask for an "open soudning op amp dirt pedal" thing, its really a sincere request.
I hope I don't sound, well... sound the wrong way.
Hehehe..
But yeah, I'm not trying to be mule-headed, i'm trying to learn and figure out stuff. Its my tonal preference and its what I've been hearing all along, so thats all. When I ask for an "open soudning op amp dirt pedal" thing, its really a sincere request.
I hope I don't sound, well... sound the wrong way.
PatheinRaindropMoe
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hehehe, that was some serious stuff :lol:
PatheinRaindropMoe
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lets just play, use the pedal outta the box instead. Use overdrive for white noise pedal, fuzz for crunch, and distortion for pink noise cascade into overdrive white noise, on the amp to 10, throw in a delay, modulate the hiss while playing with the delay time and repeats, to form the basic outline, loop it into looper, overdub with clean guitars riff over it and it will be boxy no more! Woooooooohooooooooo
I toast you my beer!
I toast you my beer!
PatheinRaindropMoe
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indeed indeed, toast for white noise. I actually wanted a white noise pedal for modulating the hiss a while back. Got the idea from the moog control processor.
But then i realised a noisy hissy gain pedal or a mini mixer in the chain does that too and less demanding to ask any builder to build me a pedal that do nothing but white noise :lol:
Toast to ya!
But then i realised a noisy hissy gain pedal or a mini mixer in the chain does that too and less demanding to ask any builder to build me a pedal that do nothing but white noise :lol:
Toast to ya!
theblueark
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Lots of buffers are opamp based. Lots of mixers are opamp based. Lots of things have opamps somewhere.
Your question is not really being answered becuase it's like asking, does electricity make my rice cook faster? I use electricity to cook my rice, I see a lot of people use also, but some people use fire. Which is faster?
Answer is it depends, innit?
The opamp by itself does exactly nothing. Transistors do exactly nothing either. It's where you place them, and how you place them, and what you put next to them, and everything else.
It just so happens that 80% of the overdrives out there are based on each other, and so everytime you see an opamp in an overdrive, 80% of the time it's gonna sound somewhat like a tubescreamer, because it probably is, or is fairly close to one.
Note: 80% is a figure I pulled out of thin air
Your question is not really being answered becuase it's like asking, does electricity make my rice cook faster? I use electricity to cook my rice, I see a lot of people use also, but some people use fire. Which is faster?
Answer is it depends, innit?
The opamp by itself does exactly nothing. Transistors do exactly nothing either. It's where you place them, and how you place them, and what you put next to them, and everything else.
It just so happens that 80% of the overdrives out there are based on each other, and so everytime you see an opamp in an overdrive, 80% of the time it's gonna sound somewhat like a tubescreamer, because it probably is, or is fairly close to one.
Note: 80% is a figure I pulled out of thin air
I think my question is very specific, i'm talking about dirt pedals?
And i would think a better analogy is, does electricity cook my type of rice better? I happen to use fire, and lots of people use electricity. I don't like what I taste when I use an electric cooker or hybrid electric cooker... I haven't tried all electric cookers, but all I've tried, have the same blane (IMO, to my ears) taste.
Its not cooking my rice the way I want it.
Now either it (electricity) simply cannot cook my rice that way I want it, or I've not tried one that can.
I hear your opinions, probably facts, that there is a cooker out there, and I've been asking for one such cooker, I just want to try it out.
So is there a dirt pedal, that has an op amp in it, that sounds as open as my blackstone or a fuzz?
Thats all.
Give me that 20%, or whatever the figure is...
Thats all.
Its really not a "challenge" of sorts. Its really either op amps can, or cannot, and I would sincerely, really, love to try a pedal that can do it.
And i would think a better analogy is, does electricity cook my type of rice better? I happen to use fire, and lots of people use electricity. I don't like what I taste when I use an electric cooker or hybrid electric cooker... I haven't tried all electric cookers, but all I've tried, have the same blane (IMO, to my ears) taste.
Its not cooking my rice the way I want it.
Now either it (electricity) simply cannot cook my rice that way I want it, or I've not tried one that can.
I hear your opinions, probably facts, that there is a cooker out there, and I've been asking for one such cooker, I just want to try it out.
So is there a dirt pedal, that has an op amp in it, that sounds as open as my blackstone or a fuzz?
Thats all.
Give me that 20%, or whatever the figure is...
Thats all.
Its really not a "challenge" of sorts. Its really either op amps can, or cannot, and I would sincerely, really, love to try a pedal that can do it.
theblueark
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It's still quite ambiguous. What if the opamp is a buffer before or after the drive section? What if the opamp is there to do some funky filtering? What if the opamp is performing some interesting things on the power supply? What if the opamp is a clean boost before diode clippers? The opamp is a tool, just like the resistor and the capacitor. When people say metal film sounds better, I say, where?
If your question is more specific, like:
Is it possible to build an open sounding dirt pedal, using NO stand alone transistors, only opamps and any other parts? I would think it would be fun to work on that challange. In fact i'm working on one.
If your question is more specific, like:
Is it possible to build an open sounding dirt pedal, using NO stand alone transistors, only opamps and any other parts? I would think it would be fun to work on that challange. In fact i'm working on one.
Thing is, I don't know, I'm no tech. I only know, what I hear, and all dirt pedals with op amps in them, sound that particular way, thats all. Prob all of them are ts clones or something, but I really wouldn't know.
Now that you pointed the nitty gritties out, then yes, I think, along the lines of what you said, I would like to hear something like that.
If op amp = transistors, can it replicate that open-ess of a simple fuzz design? or something.
Again, I dunno nuts about electronics, I'm just being curiously anal. :wink:
Now that you pointed the nitty gritties out, then yes, I think, along the lines of what you said, I would like to hear something like that.
If op amp = transistors, can it replicate that open-ess of a simple fuzz design? or something.
Again, I dunno nuts about electronics, I'm just being curiously anal. :wink:
theblueark said:
I've heard a clean booster, dunno if it had diode clippers or wat, that had an op amp, and compared it with my KGB, a mosfet tranny booster.
Its prob design, but the mosfet booster, was able to really do volume "spikes" where else the op amp had a compressed/rounded-off vol spike.
theblueark
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I was thinking and thinking of a good analogy and suddenly it hit me.
How do tubes sound?
Answer: It depends. Are they preamp tubes, power tubes, cheap old TV tubes, clipping tubes, run at 6V? 12V? 24V? It depends.
Actually tubes go *ding* when you tap them with a spoon.
How do tubes sound?
Answer: It depends. Are they preamp tubes, power tubes, cheap old TV tubes, clipping tubes, run at 6V? 12V? 24V? It depends.
Actually tubes go *ding* when you tap them with a spoon.
