Standard of music , is it going down the drain?

[AgingYouth]

tamade, why it doesn't stop eh?

Eh bro RR bro, some of the pic-chers look like they are taken off from some professional photography sites...

Like that how lah?

 

[ShredPusssy]

hahahah gd link aging youth..dont watch too much..make u age faster.
blood wont boil la..blood rush to the head already...








i meant the smaller head

 

[rottenramone]

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why would you want it to stop, bro AY bro??? :twisted:

 

[AgingYouth]

Eh, some of us here have work to do leh, bro RR bro... Hurhurhur~

 

[thailoverboy]

some of the pic-chers look like they are taken off from some professional photography sites...

bro AY bro...maybe their bf photographer from clubsnap mah :lol:

 

[AgingYouth]

bro TLB bro, your profound knowledge and expertise in these matters are astounding...

Can we give you a certified license?

 

[shinobi]

local girls? SURE anot? i must be living in a different world

certified license? if there is to be some kind of course for it then sign me up.

anyway how does an incomplete band get a gig?

 

[soft]

rottenramone, on the contray, we should not organise more gigs. we should have fewer. when things are scarce, it will be more valued. there is a difference between learning music and wanting to perform in a gig. this is because the resource to organise gigs will run dry when this phase passes.

currently we have government and commercial entities cashing in on this popular youth activity but their funds will be used up soon. and when they discover that their money spent does not reap the kind of results they want, they will think thrice about funding more such programmes.

what i hope to see is gigs with bands who are prepared and ready to perform. this opportunity to perform should be premium, not to be easily given.

AgingYouth is in the best position to discuss this because his establishment relies on him to get the best entertainment in order to attract paying customers. down to details like long or short hair for the frontman to attract more 25 - 33 years old females.

we dont demand these, yet. but in the real world, in this industry, this is what the music business is about.

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

heh, boss soft boss, i really have to give it to you, "down to details like long or short hair for the frontman to attract more 25 - 33 years old females", this part is killer line...

anyway, if we go back to the topic, just imho.

If we are looking to increase standard thru stringent selection and all the rating thing.

How about for those who suggested or agree with the rating/stright selection in choosing bands to play, start from being a gig organizer, set up the rules, procedures etc, practise it, organise gigs, for period of 1 year trial. In the one year, if wanna, can try to sell the idea of this rating procedure thing to other organizers. If agree, work together, if dont agree, each do other things.

If after that one year, result is seen in positive way, if it work out, then along the way can look for better ways to improve(find loaded guys who have too much money, no where to spend, really believing in improving locale "band" music standard and not scare to waste money like water to invest, pump money into "making" a scene here, like what broAYbro like to say, CAN PUMP ONE!..)

And if it fail, perhaps its not too much of time wasted in that one year to know how feasible or possiblity of another failure round, but improving slowly in some ways.

heh, pardon my broken england in the most subconscious way of writing.

For myself i dont agree with the preocedure and rating thing going on, so i cant be a gig organizer to start all this

 

[rottenramone]

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having fewer gigs doesn't mean that the quality may improve. ultimately, its the gig organizer's prerogative to do the necessary QC, on how to produce and market to pull in the audience.

if gigs are more scarce, would it mean that bands would value more opportunities and improve? if the bands are desperate enough, they will create the opportunities themselves and organize their own gigs. i see that happening often.

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

heh, one way to weed out below par bands for playing gigs when gig organizer having audition ...

Put score infront of each member and have them play 1 mins of it together...

 

[shinobi]

mr soft, i can see your stand in wanting to have fewer gigs. might i suggest that in addition to there being fewer gig opportunities, that these gigs also be on a larger scale?

i do not see the point in reducing the number or gigs and saving the limited resources available if the ones remain are small and insignificant. am i right to say that bigger gigs will promise acts of higher quality and standard, and does that not partly achieve our goal of having a better standard of local music?

rather than having one-off, forgettable gigs, i would like to see more venues having steady or resident acts performing on a regular basis. and let these regulars perform on a bigger, more valuable stage. this way, there is continuity, there is progress, there is standard. there are already a few places that do this. i say, why not we make it more, we make them bigger. on the part of gig organisers, perhaps there can be consolidation, a pooling of resources and contacts. work together, achieve bigger things. like i said its already happening, but there should be more of it.

rottenramones' idea of healthy competition is very similar to what i earlier suggested. when there are lesser gigs, and the prize is bigger and more valuable, there will be many bands competing for valuable slots. they will improve their game, increasing the standard. yes, it will mean there is a barrier for new bands. yes, it will be more difficult for smaller bands to get their big break. but make these bands earn every minute they are given on stage. they will definitely not spurn their chances if they are limited

when the standard of live acts goes up, when more people are paying attention, when the performing culture is strong, then maybe we will get more coverage, more songs on the radio, more records in the stores

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

heh, have venue that give locale bands chances to play originals and in turn able to pull in crowd with spending power to keep the place profitable in long run, that will be something...

So, have we found anyone willing to spend money like water, to pump into all this?

 

[shinobi]

we must find the roman abramovich of local music. look at english football now man. 3 english out of 8 teams in the champions league quarter finals

 

[soft]

PatheinRaindropMoe, my grading suggestion will not be embraced coz it is like introducing TAX. nobody like it. but i know this is what is good for this little island.

rottenramone, the whole music eco system will have to follow some rules. when we plan for things to happen, then it might happen. cannot leave to chance.

shinobi, what we have been discussing are just ideas. to make it work, we will need people to put it into action. yes, we are talking about it and it 'doesn't cook'. but if you look at it in the long run, the many who reads this forum might one day be in a position whereby he can make certain changes. he/she might become an officer with NAC, MITA or PM Office. might open a pub/studio/music school. or manager in record company, law firm or big advertising client.

hopefully, some of these discussions will lay the foundation for the future.

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

heh, tax, thats a good way of puting it across.

And now the thing is, who, want to start first. Thread starter? People who really find theres a lack of standard?

 

[shinobi]

tax is an interesting analogy. but if you refer to the recent tax increase, although i may not see the whole picture, i don't agree with it. but don't get me started

i think the standard is not say CRISIS bad lah, but there are always ways to improve. thats what we all want. i know it doesnt cook but we are not cooks, we are at most the guy eating or better still the ingredients. but we all need to understand what each and everyone's role is. we need to move in the same direction. like a rugby coach in my sec sch once mentioned "...it's just like wanking. you need to VISUALIZE"

 

[DoubleBlade]

Dude , I'm just a 19 year old polytechnic student , don't expect me to PUMP PUMP PUMP $$$ please. :lol:

But I'm really up for putting words into action. I can try my best to you guys out in any way possible , with limitations of course as I'm not a son of a millionaire.

 

[shinobi]

LOL, PUMP PUMP PUMP

reminds me of a sammi cheng SKII advertisement. the english dubbed version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jt2Fy7Lgvw
not this one, but i just put up here for ur 'reference'. i switch off the volume and watch 8) eh switch on sound 00:17 got an 'interesting' sound effect

 

[rottenramone]

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soft boss, i think you are concentrating much about the band standards but also neglecting the part of the listening crowd. what will make the band popular is not how bad the music is, but how would the ppl accept their bad music. hahah.. music is always be subjective

i think if we were to guide this music 'ecosystem' i suggest we adopt a 'poke and see' approach rather than have a direct impact on it. introduce some measures which will cultivate healthy competition.

perhaps introduce radio airplay, as this will force the DJ to make pretty snap decisions on what makes the cut on radio and what doesn't.