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0vid said:
after years of playing, i observe that basses accept active pickups better than guitars. this is the reason why many bass players enjoy their active instrument more than their guitar counterparts.
subversion said:
That's true to an extent. It's mainly in the mindset. For all the electric guitar players who decry active electronics on the instrument (whether preamplified pickups or OB preamps) - they forget that the magnet and coil eventually feeds a circuit that is not too disimilar to OB electronics or preamplified pickups (they are all preamps anyway) very soon in the chain - whether it is in a floor box, or in the amp. Many amps have a buffered front end or simple gain increase stage, before actually reaching any of the tonal modification stages (overdrive, EQ etc) and these are not fundamentally different to OB electronics.
There are a myriad of reasons. Electric Basses are generally recorded clean, and the cleaner the better in most cases, sterile clean lagi best. Electric guitars generally want to be tonally modified as opposed to clean. Active electonics on the instrument drive long chains with low loss, but some people actually like the sound of a 40' cord dulling the natural top end of the pickups....Bass players, bass manufacturers have a different mindset, there are more bass players willing to play a new instrument design - probably as many as there are guitarists who refuse to try anything, or worse be seen with anything that is not a Gibson/Fender generic design. Yes, you get the P/J players but a bass player is more likely to give a graphite instrument a go than the majority of guitarists. For all the rockstars who play vintage passive pickup instruments through a wireless.. there are buffers in the wireless anyway......effectively the passive pickup has a 'preamp' ....
You cannot avoid preamplification, and frankly most guitarists are living in denial. A passive pickup guitarist with your fuzzboxes, delays, choruses etc prior to the amp... ironically has more stages of preamplification than a bassist with OB electronics, a cord and an amp.
having done my fair share of swapping pickups from passive to actives to passive x many times
I have to say that EMGs have been so successful in preventing hum
that it seems to have a " presence " missing.
The SD live wire series of actives seems slightly better.
But i guess passive with a little hum seems more " real "
But for bass guitar ... i guess the emphasis is on the low freq
so they do not feel the missing highs
I have to say that EMGs have been so successful in preventing hum
that it seems to have a " presence " missing.
The SD live wire series of actives seems slightly better.
But i guess passive with a little hum seems more " real "
But for bass guitar ... i guess the emphasis is on the low freq
so they do not feel the missing highs
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edder, ratboy,
possible to post some pics of your guit here? :wink:
possible to post some pics of your guit here? :wink:
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sqoobs said:
mine? no need lah... go musicyo.com and google
http://images.google.com.sg/images?hl=en&q=steinberger+spirit
they all look the same. headless and ugly. :twisted:
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0vid said:
as for me it's not about the psychology. basses, as stated, mostly get amplified clean. this IMO is where active electronics (OB preamp/ pickups) excel in. the other factor being the frequency in use; the bass' low end sounds very receptive with active circuitry, not the case with guitars which operate on a different aural spectrum.
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's not true at all, completely untrue. A strat pickup is not different from a J bass pickup, the magnet strengths are not different, the wire guage is not different and the number of windings is not different. For all intents and purposes you could use a strat pickup in a J bass and a J bass pickup on a strat on one string and there would not be much difference other than the polepiece spacing. If you use a bar magnet design you could in practice use a strat pickup for a bass and a j bass pickup for a strat.
The tonal spectrum on the instrument is the same, the natural cut off for a normal electric guitar is somewhere in the region of 75hz and of course the basses go lower because of the thicker strings and the tuning. But electronically there is not much that is different on the instrument. Granted some pickup designers alter resonance peaks here and there but based on the wire gauge, windings, and magnets these shifts are not radical but a shift in the mid range. All pickups have slight variances in resonance peaks but they are not wildly different.
The difference in tonal performance occurs completely after the instrument not on it. You could use a bass guitar and string with long stirngs the gauges of say 0.10 to 0.46 and you would get a piccolo bass, except that it is effectively a long scale guitar. Brian Bromberg does this and runs it through a guitar rig and sounds like any other guitarist. You could also string a 25" scale guitar with bass strings, say 0.40 to 0.105 and it would sound like a bass.
All the tonal spectrum differences occur after the instrument. You could put a buffer preamp on a strat and use the same rig and it would still sound like a guitar. Yngwie Malmsteen's preamp boost is a buffer preamp on the floor with some gain, and frankly he could put it in the his strat, but the general perception is that you don't want to do that.... Many guitarists will play through a multi-efx floor console like a Boss or digitech or whatever but if you put in on the instrument, they cry foul.
Hi there,
I'm in Thailand. My friend is an autherized dealer of Steinberger here. Talking with him, I heard that Steinberger does not care to have any local dealer abroad as it's product is not such mass enough to get considerable amount of order to make reasonable profits. There is no special dealer price for local dealer.
For instance, in Thailand, Steinberger GR4R (MusicYo price USD 799) will cost you for SGD 2,300 (about USD1500) in Thailand
. It is the least price my friend could handle as the buyer could make a trial and get product lifetime-warranty from him. Those who feel unfair with price will try to order from ebay rather (MusicYo won't send stuff to Thailand regard to the local dealer exists).
Anyway, there are Steinberger guitars available on the classified webboard in Thailand at reasonable price. Most of them are Nuburgh (www.musicyo.com/product_specs.asp?pf_id=898 ) at SGD 2,340 (at rate BHT 23.5 per SGD 1). Maybe you could try one. 8) 8) 8)
I'm in Thailand. My friend is an autherized dealer of Steinberger here. Talking with him, I heard that Steinberger does not care to have any local dealer abroad as it's product is not such mass enough to get considerable amount of order to make reasonable profits. There is no special dealer price for local dealer.
For instance, in Thailand, Steinberger GR4R (MusicYo price USD 799) will cost you for SGD 2,300 (about USD1500) in Thailand
. It is the least price my friend could handle as the buyer could make a trial and get product lifetime-warranty from him. Those who feel unfair with price will try to order from ebay rather (MusicYo won't send stuff to Thailand regard to the local dealer exists). Anyway, there are Steinberger guitars available on the classified webboard in Thailand at reasonable price. Most of them are Nuburgh (www.musicyo.com/product_specs.asp?pf_id=898 ) at SGD 2,340 (at rate BHT 23.5 per SGD 1). Maybe you could try one. 8) 8) 8)
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