PatheinRaindropMoe
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heh, now we are back on track! Sorry for the side tracking.
What do you guys think of Sg scene?
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sage
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Aren't you guys sick of these questions... Lost count already how many times they appear.. I don't get it, why do people keep asking, trying to decide whether to contribute to the scene or what?
Don't mind me saying this but maybe the future of the singascene will be infamously riddled by people too busy to make music cos they're busy talking and asking for better bands, better gigs, Anita Sarawak to save them in a superman suit, better rewards, better support, more hot chicks to grovel at, less musicians from overseas taking over, better equipment availability for their collection until "inspiration hits", less "rockstars" and "emokids", better studio prices, better moshpits, more original riffs, less discriminating lyrics, more used panty sales,...
ps. actually this post at the wrong place ler, supposed to be at the future of singascene.. but.. aiyah same lah
Don't mind me saying this but maybe the future of the singascene will be infamously riddled by people too busy to make music cos they're busy talking and asking for better bands, better gigs, Anita Sarawak to save them in a superman suit, better rewards, better support, more hot chicks to grovel at, less musicians from overseas taking over, better equipment availability for their collection until "inspiration hits", less "rockstars" and "emokids", better studio prices, better moshpits, more original riffs, less discriminating lyrics, more used panty sales,...
ps. actually this post at the wrong place ler, supposed to be at the future of singascene.. but.. aiyah same lah
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AgingYouth
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=PatheinRaindropMoe
Is this now a substitute for fridae.com!?!?
INSANE!!!
Is this now a substitute for fridae.com!?!?
INSANE!!!
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Thanks for your comments .... yes, we DO read your posts! If you'd like to find out more about us, our website is at http://www.angelfire.com/sd/Lion
We rent per hour, per day, or if you let us know what you want to do, maybe we could come up with a package deal for you. Give us a call if you wanna know more.... or drop by and have a chat about it... the coffee shop is right downstairs.
jbarks
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the future of the singascene is investment 8)
most of the posts in this thread can be condensed into a few points:
1. standards of local musicians aren't high enough
2. we don't support our own local acts
3. all talk no action everywhere (especially here)
4. everyone who makes it big here has to go overseas first
so... how hard is it to remedy the problems?
1. push ourselves further in terms of musicianship
2. support our own local acts
3. have more action (believe me, i am trying)
4. go overseas!
one thing i've found is that when you have survived on ramen+water and saved for long enough to buy your own (good) gear, you start levelling up. when you have something to look to, you push yourself to match up with the standards of what you have... people who live in queen astrid park aside. i mean, if you've put so much into it you'd better make it worth the effort.
rork: would love to have mdc make a local music platoon! i might be the first to sign on!
if we want to see change, we have to be patient and stop complaining about how nothing's happening now. the kids of today are into local music more than they were 5 years ago, and they're going to be the ones with spending power in another 5-10 year's time. am i saying that's how long we'll have to wait to see any difference in the local scene? no... but i am saying that we'll probably start seeing a difference in 5 years as long as the people (mentors?) who are supporting and pushing local music continue to do so.
as much as i may be biased, i also believe wakemeup is making a difference. i don't think they're perfect (no label ever is and they'll probably be the first to admit so), they aren't for everyone (imagine a band like rudra on the label) and i realise that there are people out there that don't like them and every band under their label (including us)... but they are definitely taking a step in the right direction. more a&r people getting involved can't be a bad thing.
and for those of you who think that there are people in it for the money... talk to any gig organiser or band manager and ask them if they're rolling in $100 bills day and night. i'm not talking lamc or unusual level. (probably) the only person who can lay claim to that is eric ng, but that's another story. for what it's worth i believe the guy deserves every cent that he has because of how far he's taken whatever he's got.
i just wish people would stop hurting each other in mosh pits...
i realise this post is pretty disjointed so i'll shut up now. also, i'm sorry (in advance) if i offend anyone. goodnight.
most of the posts in this thread can be condensed into a few points:
1. standards of local musicians aren't high enough
2. we don't support our own local acts
3. all talk no action everywhere (especially here)
4. everyone who makes it big here has to go overseas first
so... how hard is it to remedy the problems?
1. push ourselves further in terms of musicianship
2. support our own local acts
3. have more action (believe me, i am trying)
4. go overseas!
one thing i've found is that when you have survived on ramen+water and saved for long enough to buy your own (good) gear, you start levelling up. when you have something to look to, you push yourself to match up with the standards of what you have... people who live in queen astrid park aside. i mean, if you've put so much into it you'd better make it worth the effort.
rork: would love to have mdc make a local music platoon! i might be the first to sign on!
if we want to see change, we have to be patient and stop complaining about how nothing's happening now. the kids of today are into local music more than they were 5 years ago, and they're going to be the ones with spending power in another 5-10 year's time. am i saying that's how long we'll have to wait to see any difference in the local scene? no... but i am saying that we'll probably start seeing a difference in 5 years as long as the people (mentors?) who are supporting and pushing local music continue to do so.
as much as i may be biased, i also believe wakemeup is making a difference. i don't think they're perfect (no label ever is and they'll probably be the first to admit so), they aren't for everyone (imagine a band like rudra on the label) and i realise that there are people out there that don't like them and every band under their label (including us)... but they are definitely taking a step in the right direction. more a&r people getting involved can't be a bad thing.
and for those of you who think that there are people in it for the money... talk to any gig organiser or band manager and ask them if they're rolling in $100 bills day and night. i'm not talking lamc or unusual level. (probably) the only person who can lay claim to that is eric ng, but that's another story. for what it's worth i believe the guy deserves every cent that he has because of how far he's taken whatever he's got.
i just wish people would stop hurting each other in mosh pits...
i realise this post is pretty disjointed so i'll shut up now. also, i'm sorry (in advance) if i offend anyone. goodnight.
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Ized
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he was just stating his opinion. I'm sure there will still many bands who will still patronize that place based on reputation alone, whether back-handed, front-handed or side-handed......
I think the scene is better than before. there seems to be more and more happening gigs than in the past and the local audiences are more and more up to date with this kinda gigs, plus they actually have a loyal following.
Only problem i find is that compared to the past, organisers in general don practice the old addenium of paying bands anymore. I remembered in the past how my dad told me even for the most basic gig the organiser would pay at least 50 bucks, which the band would use to cover their transport by cab back home. When he heard i was playing for free he was like saying, "eh, not good leh" but i was telling him its no big deal then he said that back in his times (hes 50 now btw and his era was deep purple) even if it was a charity gig, usually organisers would at least give the bands something as a token of appreciation. which i don usually see organisers doing nowadays, even to fairly well-established bands in the scene.
Btw bro Rork, im going to SPH for my internship....i agree with you very much with your views and will try my best. with regards to the media thingy you mentioned. mass communications student here btw.
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vx02
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a person once asked me "are you in a band?" and i said "not at the moment" and his reply was "oh so you dont support the local scene?"
i think that was a very narrowminded judgement on whether people are IN the scene or not. but aside from that, i think people have to open up to the fact that "the scene" is just like a corporation. we need people who make and perform great music and at the same time, people who organise gigs and, also those who run distros, and so on. and the fans are our clients.
one way, imo, to prosper as a scene is well, to offer more in terms of variety and quality, just like how a company plays its corporate game. competition IS good, but not at the point where we end up putting down another band or another gig organiser or what not. "this gig is very punkrock/indie/hardcore" - mentioned too many times. i would relate it to comapnies offering different products, but all sharing a same purpose. just like mergers, i think the scene would do alot better if there were less of segregation and more of us opening up to different music. like bringing your techno friends to listen to jazz! hahahaha
again, it time is a factor that many bands / people are not willing to factor in. if you make good music, it does not equate to a definite sensation overnight. work. work. work. some of us complain about companies like lamc or midas being sellouts not promoting the sg scene (i used to be one of them) but take a look at it, these people are promoting singapore to the world. if people elsewhere take notice that singapore isnt a province in china, well has to be all good eh? so yeah, open up our minds abit and take in the fact that from A to B, the path isnt always straight, isnt always obvious. take a look, not a glance at the system we have. kudos to all our local heroes
i think that was a very narrowminded judgement on whether people are IN the scene or not. but aside from that, i think people have to open up to the fact that "the scene" is just like a corporation. we need people who make and perform great music and at the same time, people who organise gigs and, also those who run distros, and so on. and the fans are our clients.
one way, imo, to prosper as a scene is well, to offer more in terms of variety and quality, just like how a company plays its corporate game. competition IS good, but not at the point where we end up putting down another band or another gig organiser or what not. "this gig is very punkrock/indie/hardcore" - mentioned too many times. i would relate it to comapnies offering different products, but all sharing a same purpose. just like mergers, i think the scene would do alot better if there were less of segregation and more of us opening up to different music. like bringing your techno friends to listen to jazz! hahahaha
again, it time is a factor that many bands / people are not willing to factor in. if you make good music, it does not equate to a definite sensation overnight. work. work. work. some of us complain about companies like lamc or midas being sellouts not promoting the sg scene (i used to be one of them) but take a look at it, these people are promoting singapore to the world. if people elsewhere take notice that singapore isnt a province in china, well has to be all good eh? so yeah, open up our minds abit and take in the fact that from A to B, the path isnt always straight, isnt always obvious. take a look, not a glance at the system we have. kudos to all our local heroes
I donch know what backhanded means and neither do I know you. So, I guess the second part of your question is moot, to say the least.
Ized - good luck with the internship. But look for a better org when you graduate. Lots of foreign media companies abound without restraining your thoughts.
Lastly, I think it's very important to think carefully when asking people to contribute by setting up gigs etc. The adage, "becareful what you ask for" is very true here. We have enough of quantity here. Please look towards quality instead.
Would it be possible for gig organisers to work with retailers to set up booths at gigs? Charge for these booths so that decent money can be returned to the bands? It looks like venue owners are pretty helpful.
Gig organisers can also look towards a percentage share of proceeds these rentals instead of a set-up fee as this will preclude the retailers from fearing to jump in due to an up-front cost that may not be defrayed with sufficient revenue/profits. Once a venue is had, it's on to the retailers which may include t-shirt vendors, shoe retailers, jean outlets, jewelry, music stores, CD shops, food and beverage, etc etc etc.
It's definitey more planning but such an exercise will inevitably lead to better bands, paying gigs (audience pays to be there and musicians get paid), better gig organisers etc etc etc.
RoRK
AgingYouth
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I've mentioned this before in this forum.
The HK indie music scene took 1 year to change itself completely. All the promoters banded together and decided to start charging for shows. And now, the first year was crap with almost zero turnout for a few shows.
In the end, the crowd started up turning up again 1 year down the road. Each show is usually ticketed at HKD150 - 200 ($28 - 38 ) easily for 2 - 3 good bands. They usually can draw up to 200 - 300 or even more peeps to each show.
The question is: "Can the kids afford to pay?", "Will they stop bitching about expensive tickets?"?
The HK indie music scene took 1 year to change itself completely. All the promoters banded together and decided to start charging for shows. And now, the first year was crap with almost zero turnout for a few shows.
In the end, the crowd started up turning up again 1 year down the road. Each show is usually ticketed at HKD150 - 200 ($28 - 38 ) easily for 2 - 3 good bands. They usually can draw up to 200 - 300 or even more peeps to each show.
The question is: "Can the kids afford to pay?", "Will they stop bitching about expensive tickets?"?
3 Bands, 45-minute sets each with 30-minute breaks in-between each set to allow them to shop. Coupled with rental of booths - I'd say $10-$15 per head for entry should be ok with bands getting at least $500 each. And if possible, three times that.
Held once in two months for a start. Different genres for each gig. Only the best should be invited.
Me thinks that peeps may kowpay because there may be many free gigs with decently well-known bands playing. The difference between free gigs and paying gigs is almost non-existent. Set a standard, work with the bands and gig organisers.
Make it a show that free gigs cannot replicate. Lights, sound, video/exposure, etc etc etc. If money no enuff, then go to JB and rob their banks there. Use the cash to pay the bands. Sure make it one!
Held once in two months for a start. Different genres for each gig. Only the best should be invited.
Me thinks that peeps may kowpay because there may be many free gigs with decently well-known bands playing. The difference between free gigs and paying gigs is almost non-existent. Set a standard, work with the bands and gig organisers.
Make it a show that free gigs cannot replicate. Lights, sound, video/exposure, etc etc etc. If money no enuff, then go to JB and rob their banks there. Use the cash to pay the bands. Sure make it one!
edder
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bro aging youth bro,
our KL counterparts did something like this but they didn't get the all the DGOs together, just a few. Our good friend Adlin was involved I remember and that's probably the first time I met him.
I attended their first one and they featured 3 bands with 45 minutes of music each. Loved every moment of it.
our KL counterparts did something like this but they didn't get the all the DGOs together, just a few. Our good friend Adlin was involved I remember and that's probably the first time I met him.
I attended their first one and they featured 3 bands with 45 minutes of music each. Loved every moment of it.
AgingYouth
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Bare equipment rental cost = $1,500
Venue rental = $500 - 800 , for the sake of argument, let's use $800
Misc costs = $200
Band performance fees = $1,500 (by your cheapest rates)
Your starting cost is $4,000.
Let's use your cheaper ticket pricing: $10. My breakeven target is 400 tickets. In order to make money, I'll need to sell around 450 - 500 tickets to make it my worth. Rental of 6 booths at $20 a table ain't gonna be worth my time.
How many people can swallow this? Can you?
Can we nominate you as President of Dodgy Gig Organisers of Singapore (DGOS)? You might lead us out to a clear path...
AgingYouth
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Hurhurhur, bro edder bro, he's a band slut lah. He's like everywhere!
But yeah, the Malaysian crowd is amazing... though it's just as fragmented as ours.
The only 2 things that keeps any enterprises moving are passion and money. If there's no money, passion can only last so long...
But what-fucken-ever lah, talk does not cook rice. You can spend all the time you want plotting out a course of action online. Now I'm voicing my own opinion, not of my organisation. I prefer to see results and action done than all this fucken talk. I do too much of talking at pubs and kopitiams anyway...
Dei! You must read properly leh if you want to reply with specifics. $500 is cheapest for band, not $1,500. Lots of ways to skin a cat with the other costs. And donch rent tables for $20. Get a percentage of the sales! Levis, Sembawang CD, etc etc etc will laugh at you if you ask for $20!
And no, I've no intention to organise gigs. I donch have the time nor the interest. I wanna play at the gigs. Can or not?
But tell you what RoRK will do. If someone does something decent, I'll pitch in with what I'm good at and that's the video side of things.
RoRK
And no, I've no intention to organise gigs. I donch have the time nor the interest. I wanna play at the gigs. Can or not?
But tell you what RoRK will do. If someone does something decent, I'll pitch in with what I'm good at and that's the video side of things.
RoRK
Hey man,
check out this local chinese artiste.
For the sake of being transparent, I am now trying to do the uphill task of helping her to be commercially viable.
Any comments?
www.laverne.com.sg
Regards
Robin
check out this local chinese artiste.
For the sake of being transparent, I am now trying to do the uphill task of helping her to be commercially viable.
Any comments?
www.laverne.com.sg
Regards
Robin
AgingYouth
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Sorry for my infidel ability at understanding Engrish. I tot u meant $500 each act. Forgive my infidel ability at arithmetric. I thought 3 x $500 is $1,500. Forgive me!!!
Well, I think Levi's and Sembawang will laugh at you if you come to them with this proposal. Have you tried approaching such sponsors before? You are asking them to set up booths at local shows which has very little eyeball rate in the media. Hard lah.
Easier and less resources spent in engaging some students to hold flea market sales at the booths.
Percentage? That's so vague like shooting blanks lah. How much? And why? Can justify the ROI for the booth owners?
Sigh, without leading by example, how would the rest know if this particular business model is the best? We is not the most original promoters around; we followed the business models of others as well. So how like that? So, it's all talk lah...
Sure, go ask some promoters for slots lah. Be sure to send in your tech rider, demo (please remix again hor. Guitars too loud) and bio.
No need, I've my team...
All the best for your future endeavours!
AgingYouth
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=robsg
Er, I think she needs a stylist and a good PR team which will get on air and on TV. The music aspect in the music industry is not that crucial anyway. Moving on, she can always engage a better songwriting team.
Er, I think she needs a stylist and a good PR team which will get on air and on TV. The music aspect in the music industry is not that crucial anyway. Moving on, she can always engage a better songwriting team.
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