What do you guys think of Sg scene?

[RoRK]

First of AgY, my posts weren't meant for you and only you. Neither are any posts from others here meant for you and only you. It's fine if you don't see the merit in points being brought out. But don't take it so harsh on yourself or others if you disagree hor.

And even before your last post, I've very much reserved myself to not ever wanting to work with you or someone like you. So donch think too much about RoRK whether musically or via video production services. Donch get your blood boiling lah bro. Perhaps, for personal stuff, use the PM lah.

Me thinks folks just need ideas. Good or bad, everyone can decide for themselves, eventually. But I do respect your thoughts, nonetheless, and I'm sure others here also appreciate your experience and thoughts.

So keep it coming for those that have some interest on this topic. I now go and remix my songs.

RoRK

 

[Ized]

I think we should all chill....its good that Rork has offered his ideas and what we could do for the scene...it would help potential gig organisers.....AgingYouth has however offered a very sarcastic and harsh viewpoint to this.....which is also good....this way one can weigh the pros and cons of organising such a gig.

As for the old adage and overused phrase "talk does not cook rice" I don agree......it does! Cos i ordered it from the waiter! hahaha kidding...... reminds me of when politicians kept using "paradime shift" in their speeches....

 

[aquanaut]

sg scene ...never seen ....not heard either

aging youth...you are 100% correct . it IS really difficult.

does anyone remember of 'HEARTROCK SINGAPORE'?

what hppened to Anthony? he got didillusioned with the whole scene and we have to bare the blame.
he had the gigs, the venue...bands played BUT the view from the stage was disheartening.
bands came and played, brought their gear and the only supporters were their girlfriends.....or boyfriends....
unfortunately, most of the bands were also ridiculously shitty.
i really believed that if heartrock opened a shooting gallery when those bands performed, he would have raked in the money...and there would have been and endless queue every weekend at east coast park.

on the other hand, as a band, if you play original material you need a following, a really big group of fans & friends to support your every gig.
playing to the passers by is not going to work at all as all they want to hear are the top 40 hits. if they stop to listen and don't hear what they are familiar with they will leave.
if you have a cheering crowd they will stay as the saying goes...a crowd attracts a crowd...

 

[edder]

ized, aging youth as sarcastic as he sound like, speaks the truth cos he's been there done that and got a "DISCO" tshirt in return.

no empty blanks, no idealistic banter.

as much as I hate him... I rove him too much too. BFF bro aging youth bro! :mrgreen:

 

[robsg]

I dun know if he is sarcastic or honestly expressing his opinion.
Anyway, thanks for your observations about laverne.

I do tend to agree on the stylist and PR aspect.
Music though, may be a very subjective issue.

It is a love or hate thing lah. most people i show it to love it. Some hate it.

Anyway, thanks for the honest opinions.

Robin

 

[vx02]

AgY: youre right, its easier said than done man.

btw, what did happen to Anthony from HeartRock?

 

[visa]

oh dear, I liked that guy. he gave my band a gig when we were starting out, and we owe him.

adding on:

I think "Quality over quantity" is a very important point that was raised here. Because bad shows actually hurt the scene, by turning people off and giving them a bad impression.

 

[john_dzite]

how about gathering a team of people to discuss what we can do and then take action?

Like making a big-scale gig? I know it's hard but worth a try right? Like a team with people who are willing to do something for the scene. I don't know if this sound stupid or not but just my 1 cent opinion.

 

[AgingYouth]

bro edder bro, I roves you too, bro.

I've not been there and done that yet. There's still a lotta stuff I've not tried yet: like bringing Depeche Mode in!!! Hurhurhur... Enuff for me to file bankruptcy if I cannot break even.

robsg, your friend wants to be commercially viable. Mainstream singers operate on a different platform. Note how they marketed Guo Meimei (bro edder bro's fave local Chinese singer). It's pretty much about packaging for the mainstream singers. Gotta help her to pump that aspect for her to stand out amongst the rest of the wanna-bes. Then, hopefully, she'll get her big break. Yeah, I was sarcastically expressing my honest opinions but not in your case.

PS: I HEARD Anthony is still around, doing smaller shows for the Northeast CDC or whatever direction CDC at Marine Cove. Props to him. I heard about what happened to him... So kudos to him for still working it.

 

[robsg]

THanks aging youth, I am trying real hard to work on that.
Hopefully, more people will support local and give us a chance.

Regards
Robin

 

[visa]

I don't think one big gig will change much. we need consistent quality, and we need to weed out bad quality as well.

This demands effort from every individual, from

THE CONSUMER:
You choose which gig to spend your time and money on, and you choose what to promote by word of mouth. If poor quality gigs don't get support, poor quality bands and poor quality organizers will be forced to shape up or ship out.

Similarly, if you want to see bands and promoters working harder, make sure you go for the good gigs, and make sure you bring as many friends as you can (especially people who are not involved in the scene. If you can be sure that they will have a good time, then they will probably come for more gigs, and the scene will expand.

THE PERFORMER:
You choose how much and how hard to practice before performing. You can choose to ensure you are polished, well-rehearsed and entertaining, take the time and effort to be in tune, be in time and in key with your bandmates, or you can just revel in his 30 minutes of fame and hurt everybody's eyes and ears while you're at it.

The onus is also on you to develop a connection with your friends, fans and supporters to come down for your shows. You have the power of inspiring people to come for more shows, or turn them off completely.

THE PROMOTER (DGO):
You chooses how much to care about the quality of the show you're organizing. You have the ability to say NO to performers that aren't ready. You have the option of going the extra mile to watch them jam before they perform so that you can choose quality bands. You can choose to watch over the gig and make sure everything runs as smoothly as possible, and you can make all the difference. You can put in the effort to promote your shows and get photographers and volunteers to help you out.

I think the main focus is on these three groups. Stuff like the media, press and sponsors will give us coverage only if we deserve it and really put in the effort.

 

[visa]

I think I talk abit too much. In summary:

Consumers: Support good bands and support good gigs. Make the effort to bring friends and crowd to gigs that you know will be good. Do your homework.

Bands: Develop to a standard that you can be proud of. Make the effort to make it a good experience for everybody involved, both during your show and after. Do your homework.

Promoters: Look beyond the cash that you get from one single gig, and think about how working towards a growing and self-sustaining scene will benefit everybody. Make the effort to make sure you know what's going on, and that your event is a quality one. Do your homework.

In summary: DO YOUR HOMEWORK

 

[RoRK]

Good points visa and thanks for the Add.

RoRK

 

[atheist]

how long more are you guys gonna argue about the scene??
someone should lock this thread, its getting nowhere.

 

[pedialite]

sham is gay. wooooo!

 

[ryuxdragonx]

To me, the current music scene in Singapore is in a pretty bad shape. It's the same as the actors. Very few of our actors can make it overseas. Why?

There is no breakthrough

Similarly, our local bands have no breakthrough. Sorry no offence, but there are bands who are simply eager to complete 1 album and sell it to others, without considering the quality

I'll just give an example, Green Day

If you looked at the interviews in Bullet In A Bible, you would have known that Billie Joe and Mike mentioned about 'American Idiot'

They wanted to make good music for people, and at one point they felt they can't, they wanted to stop, instead of making one shitty album and simply trying to sell it for the profit. American Idiot to me, was one great album that reflected on the situation that was actually happening in US, and they were one of the bands that were brave enough to address it.

Like what Billie Joe told me in one of his email, loving music doesn't mean you stop there, you have to be true to what you stand for through your actions.

So enough blabbering about Green Day, but this is what I observe in some bands these days.

Just make 1 or 2 good songs, doesn't matter if other songs sounds bad. These 1 or 2 songs can attract people. For an album to be good, to achieve international recognition, you have to cater to everyone.

I'm a DnT student so here's my view. Your target should not be teenagers. It's simply too small. You have to create a splash, make it a surprise to everyone, so that attention will be turn to you.

Yeah that's pretty much what I think. I'm a student now, so I can't do much. But I've organised National-level competitions before, so I'll definitely try to organise gigs for good bands and try to get sponsors for the whole show and bands will be paid for performing.

 

[AgingYouth]

Like what Billie Joe told me in one of his email, loving music doesn't mean you stop there, you have to be true to what you stand for through your actions.

Fwah, he emailed you ar?

Can ask him to charge cheaper for his shows cuz I'm sure if they cut their performance fees... promoters can get them in and that'll make a lotta their fans here happy...

I'm a student now, so I can't do much.

Bollocks! Since you have the experience, go for it! Stating you are a student and you are not up to it is an excuse. Sorry. I'm sure you can work out a good plan for your future show.

 

[AgingYouth]

THanks aging youth, I am trying real hard to work on that.
Hopefully, more people will support local and give us a chance.

Regards
Robin

Good luck for your project!!! Find the inroads to break in...

And I quote my bro edder bro, all the best for your future endeavours!

 

[Jugman]

hmm.. to be honest, i think there are too many indie bands already.
there should be more hardcore, metal and stuff. but then again, it's the people's choice what kind of music they wanna play.


http://www.myspace.com/almostanaccidentsg

 

[robsg]

Thanks Agingyouth, you seem to be one of my early encourager.
Hopefully, the locals will be more receptive towards our own.

Robin