The amazing guitar bargaining skills

[VENGEANCE]

lastking, i apologised and i understand what ur saying. but you know what im feeling, just because u received prior shit to this and i offer you the price, you laying all ur frustration on me and that is why im not happy with it. like what dudelove said you should have ignored me from the start and not lay ur frustrations on me alone

 

[Likui]

lastking, i apologised and i understand what ur saying. but you know what im feeling, just because u received prior shit to this and i offer you the price, you laying all ur frustration on me and that is why im not happy with it. like what dudelove said you should have ignored me from the start and not lay ur frustrations on me alone

lol if you are going to keep posting hmm I think this thread might be the longest thread in soft.com.sg

 

[lastking]

lastking, i apologised and i understand what ur saying. but you know what im feeling, just because u received prior shit to this and i offer you the price, you laying all ur frustration on me and that is why im not happy with it. like what dudelove said you should have ignored me from the start and not lay ur frustrations on me alone

Prior shit? All came from you. I've had other buyers express interest in it but they needed time to save up. They didn't try to lowball, FYI. 1 guy tried to bargain but he did it nicely but I just told him nicely price is firm.

 

[VENGEANCE]

haha yeah i know, ok guys, to prevent this thread to carry on for the next decade i'm gonna end off apologising to lastking, and also kudos for dudelove for explaining something that ive been trying to since the dawn of time. chao!

 

[dodgethis]

At the end of the day like I said everyone is untitled to their own opinions. dodgethis you're saying I need english lessons and all, fact is i understand, and i mentioned im TRYIN my luck. I mean come on, is it so hard to explain this. Im seeing things from different povs, I understand that you guys who are flaming me feel that i should respect the seller. My pov is that if i can a guitar cheap why not, why would i pay extra and let people know im noble? i'll try to negiotiate. whos to say which is right and wrong. whatever you guys have said or are saying are your opinions, just opinions, and that is perfectly fine.

You must have the smarts and EQ of a brick to think that telling the seller you're doing him a favour by taking it off him and those other pathetic excuses are actually going to help you secure that lower price.

And I seriously think you need English lessons. "Untitled to their own opinions?" WTF, man.

 

[VENGEANCE]

ok dodgethis get your last shot, if it makes you feel happy putting other people down. what you mentioned is a possibility and it HAS happened before to my friends so please dont say things so loosely. and the "untitled to their own opinions?" thing, come on obviously its a typo, thats just a cheap shot and ur so mature to point that out. take care.

 

[LadyInTears]

wooo look who just pmed me.

PM from VENGEANCE


Hey man, sincerely a big lovelovelovelove you to you, dont be a fuckin hypocrite saying i disgust you. You posted an ad of a REFINISHED KOREAN jackson kelly for a 1000 bucks before, thats just bullcrap. Please dont be a fuckin kpo and stop sprouting useless posts on soft, go get a life. If you really have a problem with me, instead of hiding behind ur keyboard, I'll be more then happy to meet you in person to talk about it


Heh why cant i sell my guitar at 1k? It's a really good piece,
I love it, and it's gonna take 1k to take it off me, hence im selling at 1k, is that ok?
soooooooooo, what's the point you're trying to make?

Look at the big picture, it is really really obvious you were an ass, its even more obvious you lowballed ( amazingly you don't see yourself as one :O ),
instead of trying to salvage whatever 'face' you have left, why not just apologize with sincerity, instead of arrogance?
look at the way you type, your tone stinks, no one will treat you for real.

btw, i know i no life la, you know singapore how boring anot... and why are you so vulgar? fierce siollll

and, you disgust me

 

[cheesedaele]

I'm confused about the direction of this thread. Initially about hub's experience, but turned into a fight b/w two other people.

Dudes, it's clear that you won't see eye to eye. Each person has their own structured arguments. But each argument does not address the other person's, cause each party's goal is to get their own argument heard, and either side is also not interested in hearing the other's argument. In this kind of fight, nobody's a winner, everyone loses. Then drag more people in = more people lose. Best can do is to agree that you disagree, and leave it there.

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Anyway a bit of trivia to lighten the mood. 'Lowballing' is one of a group of persuasion strategies from psychology, that is employed actually by the seller, not the buyer. A seller who 'lowballs' would initially quote a very attractive price, and once the customer has 'bought in', the seller would then reveal hidden/extra costs that in total, the buyer would originally not have agreed to.
An example would be a travel agent who tells you that a certain package is a very good deal, and quotes a very low price. Only after you sign up, then he reveals that you don't get any check-in baggage allowance, that airport taxes weren't included, that he has a whole host of additional handling/administrative fees to charge. Ends up, you may be paying even more than normal.
A more relevant example for us here at soft would be a seller who posts an ad for a guitar at an unbelievable price. You quickly snap up the deal without checking or testing the instrument. Only afterwards do you discover that actually the guitar badly needs a full setup, fresh strings, has two scratchy knobs and the input jack is dead.
Employing these kind of strategies has led to the spread of the common adage - buyer beware, translated to us here at soft, test before you buy; if seller doesn't let you test, your own risk if you proceed.

So what we refer to people as 'lowballers' is technically incorrect; the correct term is "being a @$*#!!!".
I bet my turn to get flamed now for being a smart alec

 

[MadWerewolfBoy]

haha bros, chill la huh!!

here's what i feel from a neutral point of view:

when i first read VENGENCE's 1st reply i was like, ah true that.. then after that i saw his sharing about his experience and i thought, ok la, MIJ flying V should be quite expensive, so asking for $200 discount should be quite ok, $1.2k to $1k, maybe some sellers don't mind.

then after that i nearly rolled off my chair when lastking said his asking price was $666. macam that number of the beast scared me sia! haha but no, i was thinking $666 - $200 = $466, wow. alas, it wasn't $466, it was $400!!

quite comical! what an entertaining thread! =D

and guess what? ts hasn't posted a single reply after his initial post.

so just chill eh, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Chelwb6Ja4

edit: oh btw, cadam7777777's posts are damn deep.. philosophy speekz! \m/

 

[hub4thailand]

Thats the whole reason why we sellers markup the value sometimes like ladyintears, does, because its typically not just soft culture its a singaporean culture, after understanding how to speak thai you will be amazed at how many insult there are throwing at a singaporean bargaining in a typical bangkok shopping center. traveling intensely around 20 over countries in the last 12 yrs its just seems like its easy to identify a singaporean when we buy things ...why is it because the way we bargain or the way we devalue the things are are buying. When you buy something on soft you will eventually sometimes sell on soft, so you will see the fustration on the seller's side. If you politely lowball me i will politely tell you to do your research, so manners does help. But i don't know how long i can keep up with is annoying culture.

it has become a culture to buyers and sellers. sellers markup the price so that people can bargain down if no response we repost with lower price , buyers try to quote a lower price below what you can pay for hopefully can get the gear for a steal. In the end if sellers quote too high no response, buyers quote too low will end up having reactions like the one on this thread.

basically to all buyers the issue here is you DEVALUE the items we are selling thats why we are offended.Hope it make sense wasn't here to create anger in either parties.

 

[J.custom]

Speaking of devaluing the items that we are selling, I absolutely cannot stand people who intentionally post negative remarks on people's ads(besides rare occasions where prices are really too high and pointing them out POLITELY) I posted an ad selling my Ibanez Valbee amp, a full tube amp, last night. And this softie called 'Grover' posted this very unnecessary and negative comment at my ad:'This amp hums like hell. This is due to the poor design. I tried changing the tubes and still cannot contain the hum. Real tube aficionado(cant remember how he spelt it but it was clearly wrong) only use NOS tubes and if you don't, you don't deserve to own a real tube amp.'

I mean who the hell are you to say whether anyone 'deserves' to own a tube amp or not? There are people who have used solid state amps all their life and want to try out using tube amps for the first time, so he does not deserve to own a tube ampsbecause he hasn't been using 'NOS Tubes' all his life? For the many many players out there who don't use NOS tubes, do they not deserve to own a tube amp?

And BTW it was that person's first post and don't understand why anyone would be so blunt to post such a remark. If you don't think a product is good, keep it to yourself. There may be others who think otherwise.

Luckily, I contacted James asap and he removed the comment upon request.

 

[1993ranger]

I advertised my MIJ Jackson V for $666,

+1

if a MIJ jackson V cause 400bucks how much a current MIC epip LP 100 should cost? LOL!

 

[bf0502tr]

+1

if a MIJ jackson V cause 400bucks how much a current MIC epip LP 100 should cost? LOL!

around say $50 tops??

 

[cadam7777777]

lastking i apologised and i understand what ur saying. but you know what im feeling, just because u received prior shit to this and i offer you the price, you laying all ur frustration on me and that is why im not happy with it. like what dudelove said you should have ignored me from the start and not lay ur frustrations on me alone

Apologize should be unconditional. While the courage to apologize publicly deserves applause, there is no need to justify farther. A line of apology would suffice. More rebuttals you will invite when justifications persist. Cheers.

 

[Likui]

Speaking of devaluing the items that we are selling, I absolutely cannot stand people who intentionally post negative remarks on people's ads(besides rare occasions where prices are really too high and pointing them out POLITELY)

Ya this was the reason I think why last time the buy and sell section james didn't allow to post anything instead just pm the buyer or seller

 

[chapter2]

i seriously think the both of u should forgive and forget. One already apologised. its a small matter. dont make it so freaking huge. Cmon,we'll music lovers aite..doesnt matter what price he offered u cos u didnt even sell it to him. So chill bro.. i feel u. THings like this alwatys happen.

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

hehe, last king prolly forgot and move on, if not for vengeance, no one would know about all this..self pwned at its finest! Ohh la la

can forgive, but never forget. When we wanna sell stuff, the last anybody wanna, is to have someone trying to buy from us and using the reason, no one will get, theres no market for it etc. Anyone can prolly say this, except the one interested to buy, coz the way it seem, using those reason, is just trying to make use of the situation to get an advantage price.

If buyer willing to sell, then prolly cant say anything, but then, it aint the case.

when basic courtesy and respect doesnt work, being nice is futile, some of us dont get it, we deserved to be whacked jialat. Be it music lovers or not, we need to be taught a lesson.

 

[Pedal-itis]

this is probably the most fun ive had reading a thread for a long time......... its like guitar forum jerry springer.....

 

[PatheinRaindropMoe]

hehe, once in a while must have thread like this, if not the forum for geetar prolly end up as exciting as the s.e.x life pattern of the modern average working singaporean, aka predictable and perhaps boring/mudane/duty like/got action no soul, got process no love and so on

 

[theliverevolution]

It's threads like these that sometimes make me wonder whether this is what our society and our scene is becoming =/