hecklerkoch
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Ya man, I wouldn't be surprised.
I've heard of horrific stories like these before.
There are a lot of animals up north, just like there are lots of animals elsewhere.
That's the result of repression for you.
Singapore Malay Model Got Canned For Drinking Beer In M'sia.
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Ya man, I wouldn't be surprised.
I've heard of horrific stories like these before.
There are a lot of animals up north, just like there are lots of animals elsewhere.
That's the result of repression for you.
hifi_killer
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did anyone read today's Straits times?? The woman is a Malaysian whos married to a Singaporean, Shes not a Singaporean.
This thread is wrongly titled
So, since she's a malaysian i dont think theres anyway she can escape from it.
Most of us would condemn such punishment, but still we are in no position to make a fair judgement. In Singapore things work differently. Our system may work for us , but it wont work for them.
This thread is wrongly titled
So, since she's a malaysian i dont think theres anyway she can escape from it.
Most of us would condemn such punishment, but still we are in no position to make a fair judgement. In Singapore things work differently. Our system may work for us , but it wont work for them.
balloons
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Balloons, I am telling you now there are a million girls who, if drunk, would say no to a man's sexual advance in the blink of an eye. What do you think women are, mindless sex-machines when intoxicated??
What you are saying is equivalent to saying that a man is 100% guaranteed to get violent and beat up his spouse if he is drunk! Completely preposterous, and from a certain point of view, almost sexist.
I was just letting you know that there are many many girls who would refuse sexual advances from a man when they are intoxicated, that's all. If you really don't believe that, fine, go to a club and hit on every drunk lady you see.
Back on topic, I hope this woman doesn't get caned. Anyone with updates on the news on this?
I am emphasizing the fact that it is less common for someone who is drunk,to refuse sexual advances or any other form of suggestive encounters due to the scientific fact that alcohol lowers the inhibition of any person,unless the word "drunk" is not used in this context. Who are you to assume i am thinking women are, mindless sex-machines when intoxicated??
Are you simply puting a false notion to cast me in an unfavourable light so that you can win your arguments? well,that's bullshit for you.
As far as i am concerned. I am only stating that a person who is drunk has less chance of deciding a wrong or right action,whether it's within the context of the law of the state or in an islamic fashion. If you can't understand this, you should be the one going to the clubs to try your luck,not me. I don't do childish things.
tim098
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Read what you said here, then read what you just posted above this. Realise that you did indeed state your suprise at ladies refusing to provide sexual service when drunk. Then realise that I told you not all ladies succumb to sexual advances when they are intoxicated. That's all, I don't know what you're going on about here, about 'countering all my points until I'm left speechless' and all that amusing zealous keyboard hero talk, but what I just said is basically what I've been trying to tell you.
Not trying to win a meaningless 'argument' if that's what you call this, just letting you know of a fact that not all females succumb to sexual advances when they are drunk. I cannot logically see how or why you could pick an argument out of that!
Well anyway, the woman is Malaysian and even though I don't stand for women being caned, it is her country and its laws, she does have the right to be punished. If she was Singaporean it would be a totally different case, though.
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Lovehurts
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Well then since she is in fact Malaysian, then I guess no one can really condemn the sentence handed down to her.
Yea & since she wants to get the canings over & done with, I hope for her sake it happens & then she can move on with her life.
I still remember how infamous Michael Fay was. He was an American citizen accused of vandalism in Singapore & our SG govt still managed to cane the fella & we only reduced the number of strokes from 6 to 4 because the US president at that time appealed to SG for clemancy.
Yea & since she wants to get the canings over & done with, I hope for her sake it happens & then she can move on with her life.
I still remember how infamous Michael Fay was. He was an American citizen accused of vandalism in Singapore & our SG govt still managed to cane the fella & we only reduced the number of strokes from 6 to 4 because the US president at that time appealed to SG for clemancy.
balloons
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Vaiyen bro,
The beer itself is nothing wrong,but the fear of unruly behaviour is the root cause which make most religions have a strong stand on it. Alcohol i heard taken in small amount is really beneficial for health. haha!
Tim098,
If you want to look carefully, i used the word "those" and you with your puny imagination gave out of context's exaggerations like "100%" and "millions" of women. So i am referring to the women involved in a legal system where alcohol consumption is viewed as transgressing the law itself. And you started this sexist thing about all women! Are you in the right frame of mind? or simply jumped to conclusion? It is your lack of understanding of what i am talking about which made me think u are arguing a baseless argument.
The beer itself is nothing wrong,but the fear of unruly behaviour is the root cause which make most religions have a strong stand on it. Alcohol i heard taken in small amount is really beneficial for health. haha!
Tim098,
If you want to look carefully, i used the word "those" and you with your puny imagination gave out of context's exaggerations like "100%" and "millions" of women. So i am referring to the women involved in a legal system where alcohol consumption is viewed as transgressing the law itself. And you started this sexist thing about all women! Are you in the right frame of mind? or simply jumped to conclusion? It is your lack of understanding of what i am talking about which made me think u are arguing a baseless argument.
Lovehurts
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AHAHA. Yeah, super hot, pretty & they walk around like a baby goat that's just learning to walk! :lol:
hecklerkoch
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From what I know, at first alcohol was not forbidden and the Arabs loved their alcohol but that was later changed.
Found some information for your reference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_dietary_laws
In Islam, alcoholic beverages—or any intoxicant—is generally forbidden. Intoxicants were forbidden in the Qur'an through several separate verses revealed at different times over a period of years. At first, it was forbidden for Muslims to attend to prayers while intoxicated (4:43).
Then a later verse was revealed which said that alcohol contains some good and some evil, but the evil is greater than the good (In Surah Al-Baqarah: 219, it states "They ask Thee concerning Wine and Gambling, Say: In them is great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is greater than the profit.").
This was the next step in turning people away from consumption of it. Finally, "intoxicants and games of chance" were called "abominations of Satan's handiwork," intended to turn people away from God and forget about prayer, and Muslims were ordered to abstain (5:90-91). In addition to this, observant Muslims refrain from consuming food products that contain pure vanilla extract or soy sauce if these food products contain alcohol.
Some more links for your easy reference and understanding.
http://islam.about.com/od/health/f/alcohol.htm
http://www.themodernreligion.com/alcohol.html
Personally, I think that like with most things in life, the decision lies with you. You do certain things and you don't do certain things after weighing the odds and you take chances in your own life.
As some of you have rightly pointed out here, there are rules and regulations governing countries and places everywhere. They (the rules) definitely cannot please everybody and you have to abide by them if you happen to be there, and the law must be fair and impartial to everybody.
Capital punishment for drug smuggling in Singapore may appear barbaric to others but it has been deemed necessary in Singapore and it does help to keep the streets cleaner and we don't really have to worry about stumbling over drug addicts in the alleys like in KL or elsewhere.
So, it helps to know that sometimes rules are not really meant to oppress but rather as a guide because it has been deemed to contain more good than evil.
So, ya.
Found some information for your reference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_dietary_laws
In Islam, alcoholic beverages—or any intoxicant—is generally forbidden. Intoxicants were forbidden in the Qur'an through several separate verses revealed at different times over a period of years. At first, it was forbidden for Muslims to attend to prayers while intoxicated (4:43).
Then a later verse was revealed which said that alcohol contains some good and some evil, but the evil is greater than the good (In Surah Al-Baqarah: 219, it states "They ask Thee concerning Wine and Gambling, Say: In them is great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is greater than the profit.").
This was the next step in turning people away from consumption of it. Finally, "intoxicants and games of chance" were called "abominations of Satan's handiwork," intended to turn people away from God and forget about prayer, and Muslims were ordered to abstain (5:90-91). In addition to this, observant Muslims refrain from consuming food products that contain pure vanilla extract or soy sauce if these food products contain alcohol.
Some more links for your easy reference and understanding.
http://islam.about.com/od/health/f/alcohol.htm
http://www.themodernreligion.com/alcohol.html
Personally, I think that like with most things in life, the decision lies with you. You do certain things and you don't do certain things after weighing the odds and you take chances in your own life.
As some of you have rightly pointed out here, there are rules and regulations governing countries and places everywhere. They (the rules) definitely cannot please everybody and you have to abide by them if you happen to be there, and the law must be fair and impartial to everybody.
Capital punishment for drug smuggling in Singapore may appear barbaric to others but it has been deemed necessary in Singapore and it does help to keep the streets cleaner and we don't really have to worry about stumbling over drug addicts in the alleys like in KL or elsewhere.
So, it helps to know that sometimes rules are not really meant to oppress but rather as a guide because it has been deemed to contain more good than evil.
So, ya.
hecklerkoch
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On a side note, personally I think it is absurd to totally refrain from even the most minute amount of alcohol, as some of my Muslim ex-colleagues do.
Besides, tapai seems to be a popular food with Malaysians (I don't know for sure) but it sure contains alcohol due to the fermentation.
Anybody knows more about this?
Besides, tapai seems to be a popular food with Malaysians (I don't know for sure) but it sure contains alcohol due to the fermentation.
Anybody knows more about this?
hecklerkoch
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Hahaha, how come I totally forgot your question is about the caning ah? :mrgreen:
I've rarely heard of it lah but maybe that's because this kind of punishment is usually done by those fundamentalist countries.
Here's the info.
http://india.smashits.com/wikipedia/Flagellation
I've rarely heard of it lah but maybe that's because this kind of punishment is usually done by those fundamentalist countries.
Here's the info.
http://india.smashits.com/wikipedia/Flagellation
tim098
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hecklerkoch
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I think what will make sense is when people find out how religions came about, their histories and how they have evolved.
