Singapore Malay Model Got Canned For Drinking Beer In M'sia.
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faizal_rocks
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Hi balloons, I find it rather it appalling that u would mention my name here..firstly, how did u assume that I know everything in Islam? Let me put it this way, I'm just a moderate Muslim. When I first looked at this thread, I just don't have the heart to comment on it until u mentioned my name twice.
Let me just say this. Apostasy in Islam is indeed a great sin in the eyes of many Muslims. But I don't think politics should get in the way. If a Muslim wishes to apostate, then he/she will have to bear his/her responsibilities for her actions and will be judged not by politics but The One above.
zamrio
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hey bros, i was really upset and mad after reading this article. even if she wasnt a singaporen, this a female we are talking about. canning is too barbaric to dish out to lady. i hope our govt or even amnesty or even obama steps in to stop this punishment from happening..im a muslim btw.
zamrio
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Revoltagedesign
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we should do something to stop this... she is such a poor lady.
hecklerkoch
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Hahaha... again you see the usual suspects jump in and try to rock the boat.
Thread is about a woman getting caned and the discussion becomes a debate on apostasy in Islam.
I actually wanted to comment on the thread subject with a little bit of humour and say that maybe Malaysia is trying to get back at Singapore for rescuing that Indonesian girl who was abused by a Malaysian prince or whatever.
But while I am here, I shall tell you about my personal opinion on apostasy in Islam.
Firstly, I think it's a bit more difficult for a Muslim to practice renunciation of his or her religion, unlike some of non-Muslim friends whose family can consist of a father and mother who are Taoists, daughter is a Christian, son is a Catholic and another son who is a free thinker.
The reasons can be quite simple, if you think about it.
Islam is a way of life to most Muslims. It governs their daily actions and it provides a foundation and guidance to life. This is something that is taught from the time when a Muslim child becomes old enough to think and understand. It is weaved into the consciousness constantly throughout one's life via religious classes and through sermons by religious leaders during Friday prayers.
So, to most Muslims religion is not really something you change on a whim or fancy.
Having said that, you realize that in a Singaporean Muslim's context, where our life in Singapore is legally governed by constitutional law, a secular government - fearing that apostasy in Islam is 'punishable by death' is basically a non-issue.
Hell, even the Islamic scholars in the Middle East have been debating about the direct indication of capital punishment for apostasy in the Quran. They argue that the law of apostasy and its punishment by death in Islamic law conflicts with a variety of fundamentals of Islam.
Honestly, I think religion and faith is very personal.
You don't question about how someone you see practise his or her faith 'when his or her religion says this or that'. Unless you are an expert on that particular religion, there is absolutely no bloody way you should tell someone "Eh, this is not how you should behave, man!" because ultimately, the choices made are his or her own, despite his or her own beliefs and knowledge on anything.
It's like it's perfectly logical to know that driving a car too fast may result in and have proven to cause injury or death to yourself and/or others if you lose control of the car but people do it anyway because they like the rush. They like the experience.
You don't blame the car or the maker of the car. You blame the guy who was behind the wheel, if an accident occurs because of the car being driven too fast.
So, with regards to the woman who got caned in Malaysia - my personal view is that Malaysia's take is that while she is in Malaysia, she should adhere to the law as a Muslim. It would be ridiculous for them to tell everybody that oh, she's a Singaporean so the Shariah law doesn't apply to her when in fact Shariah law is for all Muslims. Her being a Singaporean doesn't make her a 'different' kind of Muslim. She is still a Muslim.
That's my point of view.
I am certainly no expert on Islam but I know enough not to question other people's religion just because you think you've seen unfairness.
Sometimes I really wonder why people are so 'concerned'.
All I know is to follow and take the positive aspects and try to be a good fellow human being first and foremost, to the next person. To my family. To my loved ones. To my friends.
It's not as if religion works like a product manual - where everything will work if you follow the instructions. That the machine will do what is designed to do if you press the right buttons.
Thread is about a woman getting caned and the discussion becomes a debate on apostasy in Islam.
I actually wanted to comment on the thread subject with a little bit of humour and say that maybe Malaysia is trying to get back at Singapore for rescuing that Indonesian girl who was abused by a Malaysian prince or whatever.
But while I am here, I shall tell you about my personal opinion on apostasy in Islam.
Firstly, I think it's a bit more difficult for a Muslim to practice renunciation of his or her religion, unlike some of non-Muslim friends whose family can consist of a father and mother who are Taoists, daughter is a Christian, son is a Catholic and another son who is a free thinker.
The reasons can be quite simple, if you think about it.
Islam is a way of life to most Muslims. It governs their daily actions and it provides a foundation and guidance to life. This is something that is taught from the time when a Muslim child becomes old enough to think and understand. It is weaved into the consciousness constantly throughout one's life via religious classes and through sermons by religious leaders during Friday prayers.
So, to most Muslims religion is not really something you change on a whim or fancy.
Having said that, you realize that in a Singaporean Muslim's context, where our life in Singapore is legally governed by constitutional law, a secular government - fearing that apostasy in Islam is 'punishable by death' is basically a non-issue.
Hell, even the Islamic scholars in the Middle East have been debating about the direct indication of capital punishment for apostasy in the Quran. They argue that the law of apostasy and its punishment by death in Islamic law conflicts with a variety of fundamentals of Islam.
Honestly, I think religion and faith is very personal.
You don't question about how someone you see practise his or her faith 'when his or her religion says this or that'. Unless you are an expert on that particular religion, there is absolutely no bloody way you should tell someone "Eh, this is not how you should behave, man!" because ultimately, the choices made are his or her own, despite his or her own beliefs and knowledge on anything.
It's like it's perfectly logical to know that driving a car too fast may result in and have proven to cause injury or death to yourself and/or others if you lose control of the car but people do it anyway because they like the rush. They like the experience.
You don't blame the car or the maker of the car. You blame the guy who was behind the wheel, if an accident occurs because of the car being driven too fast.
So, with regards to the woman who got caned in Malaysia - my personal view is that Malaysia's take is that while she is in Malaysia, she should adhere to the law as a Muslim. It would be ridiculous for them to tell everybody that oh, she's a Singaporean so the Shariah law doesn't apply to her when in fact Shariah law is for all Muslims. Her being a Singaporean doesn't make her a 'different' kind of Muslim. She is still a Muslim.
That's my point of view.
I am certainly no expert on Islam but I know enough not to question other people's religion just because you think you've seen unfairness.
Sometimes I really wonder why people are so 'concerned'.
All I know is to follow and take the positive aspects and try to be a good fellow human being first and foremost, to the next person. To my family. To my loved ones. To my friends.
It's not as if religion works like a product manual - where everything will work if you follow the instructions. That the machine will do what is designed to do if you press the right buttons.
obzervr
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ge3K, you may want to reconfirm about what you said on Pahang ruled by PAS.
Perhaps the episode was more a political one than religion. UMNO has lost a lot of ground support to PAS (traditionally seen as the more literal interpreters of the religion) and this may be a step to demonstrate that UMNO legislators are 'as serious' about 'the religion'. It is likely aslso that they are trying to provoke the women human rights group 'Sisters in Islam' to respond against a shariah ruling as the group has been under scrutiny for invoking a more 'liberal' interpretation of the religion.
Perhaps it is necessary to ask ourselves if we are looking out for ammunition to attack any one other religion/faith or are we seeking for enlightenment to better appreciate our own religion/faith. Huge world of difference. If it is the latter, perhaps, two aspects have to be seriously considered. 1) Interpretation 2) Representation.
Is there only ONE interpretation of any one religion by its followers? If the answer is YES, how then do we explain the sub-varieties within each religion? If the answer is NO, then perhaps there is a need to check, whose interpretation is dominant and why.
When we pay attention to whose interpretation is dominant (funding, resources, curriculum, etc.), it is not to difficult to see that in every religion, the faith is being represented by humans with a human interest to interprete God's interest.
Over time, just as we've seen by patterns of the past, as one dominant interpretation loses ground and is replaced by another interpretation, the dynamics will be again different. Perhaps, in this case, if a more humanistic interpretation of Islam is exercised, the distinction between a Sin and a Crime will be made. Not every sin is a crime and not every crime is a sin.
The point here is that, Islam, just like Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. cannot on its own speak for itself. The Human followers give it the voice to be heard. There is a huge spectrum of differences even within each faith.
On a side note, is there only ONE interpretation of any one music genre - e.g. Metal?
Perhaps the episode was more a political one than religion. UMNO has lost a lot of ground support to PAS (traditionally seen as the more literal interpreters of the religion) and this may be a step to demonstrate that UMNO legislators are 'as serious' about 'the religion'. It is likely aslso that they are trying to provoke the women human rights group 'Sisters in Islam' to respond against a shariah ruling as the group has been under scrutiny for invoking a more 'liberal' interpretation of the religion.
Perhaps it is necessary to ask ourselves if we are looking out for ammunition to attack any one other religion/faith or are we seeking for enlightenment to better appreciate our own religion/faith. Huge world of difference. If it is the latter, perhaps, two aspects have to be seriously considered. 1) Interpretation 2) Representation.
Is there only ONE interpretation of any one religion by its followers? If the answer is YES, how then do we explain the sub-varieties within each religion? If the answer is NO, then perhaps there is a need to check, whose interpretation is dominant and why.
When we pay attention to whose interpretation is dominant (funding, resources, curriculum, etc.), it is not to difficult to see that in every religion, the faith is being represented by humans with a human interest to interprete God's interest.
Over time, just as we've seen by patterns of the past, as one dominant interpretation loses ground and is replaced by another interpretation, the dynamics will be again different. Perhaps, in this case, if a more humanistic interpretation of Islam is exercised, the distinction between a Sin and a Crime will be made. Not every sin is a crime and not every crime is a sin.
The point here is that, Islam, just like Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. cannot on its own speak for itself. The Human followers give it the voice to be heard. There is a huge spectrum of differences even within each faith.
On a side note, is there only ONE interpretation of any one music genre - e.g. Metal?
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Pahang is a Barisan Nasional (BN) state. PAS governs Kelantan, Kedah and Perak (although DAP has majority seats here).
fgl
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neuro182
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Let the flames begin -Paramore
ooops. my mistake. confused pahang with kelantan... lol. thanks for pointing it out.
lordie
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i am a singaporean malay and has been living in malaysia for 2yrs, been boozing, etc.. but no one seems to care or bother.
prolly because she refuse sexual advances and someone "reported" her to punish her. a lot of this nonsense happening.
theres 1 case which a traffic police officer stop a female drunk driving and ask for a BJ to get her off the hook.
nothing seems to surprise me in Malaysia.
prolly because she refuse sexual advances and someone "reported" her to punish her. a lot of this nonsense happening.
theres 1 case which a traffic police officer stop a female drunk driving and ask for a BJ to get her off the hook.
nothing seems to surprise me in Malaysia.
hecklerkoch
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I wonder if Singapore is doing any better.
We have crooks running around purchasing golden taps, multi-million dollar overseas homes, Louis Vuitton, china from Takashimaya for deities, BMWs etc with money meant for helping the poor in Singapore cope with medical and hospital bills.
Oh, and horses for pets too.
Go figure.
We have crooks running around purchasing golden taps, multi-million dollar overseas homes, Louis Vuitton, china from Takashimaya for deities, BMWs etc with money meant for helping the poor in Singapore cope with medical and hospital bills.
Oh, and horses for pets too.
Go figure.
