i would like to share my experience on what are the risks of organising a gig. I booked a venue and split the cost with the band, including my band. each band has to do 8 tics within a month. but some idiots delayed payment and i have to pay up for the place with my own $$ on that day. till today those idiots remain uncontactable. i don't wanna name them here.
Paying to Play - How do you feel about it?
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30 tickets is not too much. each band has about 4 members. each member just take 8 tickets. sell to 4 friends who will buy 2 tickets each. coz come with bf/gf.
if cannot count on your friends to support, who can you count on?
playingplay, maybe you are still young and inexperience in the music business. it is ok, learn as you grow. just be humble and use every lesson learnt to better yourself.
also, threatening on forum is also considered evidence if the other party wish to proceed with police case.
if cannot count on your friends to support, who can you count on?
playingplay, maybe you are still young and inexperience in the music business. it is ok, learn as you grow. just be humble and use every lesson learnt to better yourself.
also, threatening on forum is also considered evidence if the other party wish to proceed with police case.
playingplay said:
like we said again.. if your so called "friends" want to play.. then its their own choice.. so what right have you to interfere in your "friends" decisions??
just because you feel so "righteous".. doesn't make you have the right to post such comments.. if you care so much.. then step out and tell it to the media or organise your owngig.. stop hiding behind your online moniker and whine all day about this organiser that organiser..
And do tone down your comments.. otherwise you'll get into much trouble.. you wouldn't want people in blue uniforms to come to your house and knock on your door right?? (they can always track you with your IP)
So use your brain dude.. not your emotions :lol:
AgingYouth
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maxis_black said:Hey AgingYouth, i might not be an expert in this buisness kind of stuff, but like studying, study smart not study hard
how may i suggest like advetise gigs at thoses place popular to the local scene? at youthpark? pennisula plaza? or how bout give upcoming gig flyers at another gig? espically those of the sme genre? won't those people who support the music come down?
In business, you work smart so that you won't have to work that HARD. BUT NEVER LET IT IN YOUR MIND THAT YOU DUN HAVE TO WORK OR WORK HARD AT ALL.
Working smart by maximising your efforts to give out flyers at other people's events is an excellent idea. However, you'd need a dedicated team. Firstly, you've to incur printing costs. If you go with off-set printing with full colour just one side. 2000 flyers can set you back by S$250 - 300? Secondly, your friends can always help you out to give out flyers THE FIRST TIME. Subsequently? I dun think so.
AgingYouth
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playingplay said:
Dude, NEVER, I repeat, NEVER get into the insurance line!!!
fallenmaples
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playingplay said:
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malas to layan. This is starting to sound childish. Apparently you seems to be lacking in the common sense, logic and the brains department.
Go and tear down and expose whoever lah. haiyer. Macam like you really got any balls to do that. Considering that you are hiding behind the monitor. :roll:
lol. i rest my case.
AgingYouth
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Sorry, bro SOFT bro that I've to do this again.
To the 3 doodes which have been standing on the same line. I see the fervent support you have for the so-called local music scene.
I hope you donch mind to share with us what Singapore albums you have purchased before. I know that there's a thread in the Kopitiam board but I is too lazy to dig it out.
Thanks in advance! Up your points!
To the 3 doodes which have been standing on the same line. I see the fervent support you have for the so-called local music scene.
I hope you donch mind to share with us what Singapore albums you have purchased before. I know that there's a thread in the Kopitiam board but I is too lazy to dig it out.
Thanks in advance! Up your points!
Crawldaddy
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Hmm.
I think I mentioned this before.. that my band and I walked out of one music mania gigs because my band couldn't sell enough tickets.
Simply put (and no it's not an excuse), lot of our friends were either away or busy. I won't blame them, but don't blame us for not making an effort to sell the tickets.
However, the reason for walking out? because of a previous agreement with the organisers that our slot is at 5:30pm, but we were apparently shifted to the last slot (9:30pm) since we sold next to zilch tickets. whether that is fair to the band or the organisers is up to you guys, I won't comment.
I won't say that walking out a good example of behaviour that should be inculcated in our local players, however we were under no contractual agreement to play, and our bassist had his O level paper the next morning, so what can I say? :roll:
I think I mentioned this before.. that my band and I walked out of one music mania gigs because my band couldn't sell enough tickets.
Simply put (and no it's not an excuse), lot of our friends were either away or busy. I won't blame them, but don't blame us for not making an effort to sell the tickets.
However, the reason for walking out? because of a previous agreement with the organisers that our slot is at 5:30pm, but we were apparently shifted to the last slot (9:30pm) since we sold next to zilch tickets. whether that is fair to the band or the organisers is up to you guys, I won't comment.
I won't say that walking out a good example of behaviour that should be inculcated in our local players, however we were under no contractual agreement to play, and our bassist had his O level paper the next morning, so what can I say? :roll:
hello softies!
i played in gashaus for more than 5 times i think.
and in most cases, we have to sell tickets.
while most of the time we bug people to come, there was a gig where i needed to sell 40 tix and NONE of my friends bothered to come.
did we walk out? NO! we thickened our faces and went outside gashaus and started selling our tickets to total strangers.
how much did we sell? ALL.
while it obviously pleased the organizers, we were even more pleased that we actually managed to do that.
we as bands need to think out of the box to sell. people might even look out for your band after selling them presale tix on the actual day.
for some gigs, the tix are actually reusable for subsecuent gigs. so what can u do? pay off for extra 4/5 etc etc tix and ur band can come for the next gig by the same organizer. i call it supporting the local scene.
so those who whine about having to sell tix, maybe less of that will do you more joy. God bless.
i played in gashaus for more than 5 times i think.
and in most cases, we have to sell tickets.
while most of the time we bug people to come, there was a gig where i needed to sell 40 tix and NONE of my friends bothered to come.
did we walk out? NO! we thickened our faces and went outside gashaus and started selling our tickets to total strangers.
how much did we sell? ALL.
while it obviously pleased the organizers, we were even more pleased that we actually managed to do that.
we as bands need to think out of the box to sell. people might even look out for your band after selling them presale tix on the actual day.
for some gigs, the tix are actually reusable for subsecuent gigs. so what can u do? pay off for extra 4/5 etc etc tix and ur band can come for the next gig by the same organizer. i call it supporting the local scene.
so those who whine about having to sell tix, maybe less of that will do you more joy. God bless.
MadWerewolfBoy
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i think this system is good, but it should not only apply to the $10 range...
there should be like maybe $5 with no free drinks etc...
if we push the prices too high (above $15) people would want to make sure that they jolly know every band playing for the gig and that they are all good... if lets say only 1 or 2 out of the 6 bands or so playing are good/well known, who would want to buy tics above $10 just for watching those good bands and maybe support their friend's band with the insucurity of not knowing whether the other 3 performances are gonna be good?
the idea is, put all the good bands together and then the gig tix price can be higher...
put new bands together so gig tix price can be lower... make some categories like $5, $10, $15 with free drinks or sumthing...
but again, this discrimination is hard to practise cuz bands will all want to go to the $5 cat for obvious reasons... if only a more sophisticated system can be set up for doing this...
there should be like maybe $5 with no free drinks etc...
if we push the prices too high (above $15) people would want to make sure that they jolly know every band playing for the gig and that they are all good... if lets say only 1 or 2 out of the 6 bands or so playing are good/well known, who would want to buy tics above $10 just for watching those good bands and maybe support their friend's band with the insucurity of not knowing whether the other 3 performances are gonna be good?
the idea is, put all the good bands together and then the gig tix price can be higher...
put new bands together so gig tix price can be lower... make some categories like $5, $10, $15 with free drinks or sumthing...
but again, this discrimination is hard to practise cuz bands will all want to go to the $5 cat for obvious reasons... if only a more sophisticated system can be set up for doing this...
maxis_black
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i totally agree on kinnsb on that.... yeah we do have to agree with the organiser's terms and conditions, but then again do be realistic on those tickets... c'mon aren't we like like trying to bloom the scene and you guys are fighting over some sucky issue...
we gotta help each other out. it takes 2 hands to make a clap :wink:
we gotta help each other out. it takes 2 hands to make a clap :wink:
5stringedsoul
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put some effort into getting people to come to your gig, convince them too, cuz they will make up your fanbase, u can jam all u want in the studio but if u don't work as hard to get people to come to your gig, den it's pointless isn't it? cuz based on my experience playing at gigs, it's your friends that will start to cheer for you 1st, den followed by the rest of the crowd.
If your frens arent intersted, they may have family members who like the particular genre of music and they cud help u get to these ppl as well.
If your frens arent intersted, they may have family members who like the particular genre of music and they cud help u get to these ppl as well.
I have been reading this thread and refraining from posting any remarks simply because i haven't deal with anyone here. Seriously, why keep whining about the terms and conditions of the gig in the first place. As a band, if you know you cannot fulfill the requirements, don't do the gig. Blaming the organisers for the ticket price and stuff as such is not gonna get you anywhere.
If anyone forgets, the organisers themselves need to get paid too, and I think the pricing is fair. Selling your own tickets is something bands should do themselves. Don't keep thinking that you are some big shot rockstar that people will come to your show without any marketing. If you want the organisers to market for you, you pay.
I think the organisers have given the local scene a platform to start. The rest is up to the bands. Garner your own crowds; your friends. If this cannot even be done, do you expect strangers to attend your gig? Word of mouth is a very powerful tool, learn to make use of it.
I'm not sure whether is there is any other issues, but seriously if you are really not happy, talk in person to the organiser. This is common courtesy. The organisers have their responsibilities, the bands need to shoulder theirs.
If anyone forgets, the organisers themselves need to get paid too, and I think the pricing is fair. Selling your own tickets is something bands should do themselves. Don't keep thinking that you are some big shot rockstar that people will come to your show without any marketing. If you want the organisers to market for you, you pay.
I think the organisers have given the local scene a platform to start. The rest is up to the bands. Garner your own crowds; your friends. If this cannot even be done, do you expect strangers to attend your gig? Word of mouth is a very powerful tool, learn to make use of it.
I'm not sure whether is there is any other issues, but seriously if you are really not happy, talk in person to the organiser. This is common courtesy. The organisers have their responsibilities, the bands need to shoulder theirs.
edder
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wah this thread damn happening leh....
How did aging youth start? I HEARD hor.... cos a bunch of friends who apparently couldn't get any gigs and then hor... they just got together and organised their own gigs.
And then hor they got bigger and bigger and people started complaining about them organising gig for friends only.
SO?
Stop complaining lah. Can't get gigs organise yourself lor. Then you know how hard it is.
And ask yourself why you can't get gigs?
Are you GOOD enough?
Do you KNOW the right people?
Do you even have a stable lineup?
Music business is dodgy. Accept that with a BIG SMILE.
And also... If you're NOT ready to promote your own band... WHO DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO PROMOTE YOU?
Ups your points dodgy gig organisers. You guys deserve every rights to be DODGY or NOT.
How did aging youth start? I HEARD hor.... cos a bunch of friends who apparently couldn't get any gigs and then hor... they just got together and organised their own gigs.
And then hor they got bigger and bigger and people started complaining about them organising gig for friends only.
SO?
Stop complaining lah. Can't get gigs organise yourself lor. Then you know how hard it is.
And ask yourself why you can't get gigs?
Are you GOOD enough?
Do you KNOW the right people?
Do you even have a stable lineup?
Music business is dodgy. Accept that with a BIG SMILE.
And also... If you're NOT ready to promote your own band... WHO DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO PROMOTE YOU?
Ups your points dodgy gig organisers. You guys deserve every rights to be DODGY or NOT.
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