My very unpleasant deal with a buyer

Sunrisenblues

Sunrisenblues

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Its saddening to see what has soft become..where are the good old days where this forum are filled with sincere buyers and sellers..mature adults.. i have deal on soft since 2007..Today is one of my worst deal ever.. I was made to feel like a criminal and had my dignity stripped to shreds...

Story..
I advertised to sell my Gibson SG for a damn low price..900ish ..I know i am spoiling the market for Gibson.. The buyer was a 16 years old kid who brought his dad to the place of transaction. The kid was a cool guy though..but his dad was threatening me with all kinds of crude remarks..
I had the patience to show the kid how to check whether if the guitar was genuine and such.. they asked typical questions on the guitar. When it came to the part where i told my guitar was a year old..the dad was very unhappy..and told the son not to buy it because the guitar is OLD? He told me at most he would offer 700 for the Guitar because its a year old.. ARE YOU KIDDING ME??? a GIBSON FOR 700???
when does a guitar become cheaper as its aged?? its a 2005 model by the way..
The buyer has no respect at all or whatsoever.. this dad went on to question the need to sell the guitar and such..and he would gladly pay the full retail price to buy a new Gibson than to get my guitar..because they could afford it

His son really wanted my Gibson though..his dad was unhappy.. eventually his dad gave in... But since his dad is paying the money...i had to deal with him...
He went on to question me as a person..
He requested to check my ID..and wrote down all my details on my ID..my address and such
He went on to give remarks like.."THIS PERSON ON THE ID DOESNT LOOK LIKE YOU"
Are you inferring I'm a cheat and a fake? Hello.. I am holding a 11B..As a commander in the SAF..holding another person's 11B is a serious offence okay!!!

He went on to say shit like hes doubtful of the orgins of the guitar because i dont have a receipt...WTFFFFF..hes afraid i have a stolen guitar on my hands...
He made me feel like shit..I just wanted to walk off and not sell the guitar to them..but i could see from the face of that young boy that he really wanted this guitar... They have no respect at all or whatsoever for the seller...i was never once humiliated as a human being like this before...

He went on to give me a lecture on how we must be careful of people and this world is not as simple as it seem ..etc etc... he reluctantly gave me the money and i left


Moral of the story..never deal with kids or deal with arrogant people who thinks they owe other people a living...

Please advice..
 
errr .. is it SOFT's fault for the dad's bad behavior? You got $ for your guitar, SOFT get blame? Something not right huh?

I share your anger but if I were you, I will just walk away and not deal. Why make ourself feel bad?
 
hi james..its not soft fault..\
I am sorry if i made it sound that way...i still love this place..
its the younger crowd that is on here nowadays..
they have no value system..which makes me real sad
 
So how much did you eventually sell the Gibson to him for? $700 or $900? And you were stupid to show him your ID, who knows what he'll do with your NRIC number, name, address, personal details etc.
 
i sold him at my deal price at 900..
note..he threaten me into giving me my ID...
upon that time..i wanted to walk off and not sell him my guitar...
the conversation kinna of went this way

Me"i think i am pretty unhappy on this transaction..and i think i am not selling it anymore"
dad" but my son is happy...never mind..we will buy it..but i have no make sure the guitar is not stolen..how do i know whether this guitar is stolen..i have to be sure..i have to see your ID"......
 
This is a social problem. It is happening all over the world. People are becoming more caring about themselves rather than helping each others.

But, there are good people also. Just the other day at SOFT Band Collective's gig, there was this guy in leather jacket who jump onto stage to help hold the drum set from sliding while the band played. RESPECT to the brother!
 
=Sunrisenblues

How does looking at one's ID ascertain anything about the item? What if he holds a stolen laptop, and use the details of your ID to say you sold him that stolen laptop? What if he use your details to borrow money from loan sharks, or do other unsavoury things? IMHO you got yourself into a whole load of unnecessary trouble. You should have just curtly told him to buzz off and walked away from the deal.
 
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Meanwhile the buyer laughing all the way for scoring a $900 Gibson. Pity he couldn't lowball you further to $700.
 
Well there's always these kinda people. Hence the reason why I always deal on my terms. And plus, I've walked off from deals when the person heavily insists on his price after I travel all the way to meet him. Whatever it is, it's your product, as long as the cash you wanted for it is not in your hands, it still belongs to you. You're not obliged to meet his demands as long as you are firm.
 
I should try stop being a nice guy...i even offered to travel to his place to meet him to deal..
they are damn unreasonable la...
spoil my good friday only...
 
It's ok to be a nice guy, but only be nice to those who are nice. You don't want to be a nice guy to a jerk, or a jerk to a nice guy.
 
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The father thinks he's dealing with a brick and mortar shop. He doesn't realise how second-hand direct deals are supposed to work. The kind of behaviour he displayed is quite normal of someone in a seedy shop in some ulu place where he's a skeptical buyer. He's probably wondering why his son must bring him to this kind of "shop" who doesn't have a physical "shop" but must meet somewhere outside.

We all know second hand direct deals are completely different from the conventional way of buying goods in a shop, but he doesn't. The son must have been super embarrassed on your behalf too but was too scared of disrespecting his father to explain and defend you.

The father was just being protective of his son. Can't fault him for that. In fact, probably a bit overprotective... like the majority of Singaporean parents. It also shows the generation gap. Pre-internet era, second hand deals hardly occured. But now with the internet, second hand deals are all over, people even making money from blog shops, which aren't too different from second hand deals. The kid should have explained to his father that the deal was an individual's classified ads with a non-commercial seller, and not a brick and mortar shop commercial entity. That might have helped a lot.

In your position I would have just played along and laughed inside at the situation. Just stroke his ego a bit, say he's such a good father to follow his son etc., then the father would become your friend. :p
 
i think its a problem of our society..
they protray traits of elitism..
his son is in ACSI doing IB...

the kid was telling me how his dad gave me 1000 for every A1 he got for his O levels..
the guitar is his reward for one of the As..

Are you telling me..when you are rich..you can treat others as peasants...
a lie..a fake a cheat..??
 
It's not about rich or poor. IMHO you didn't handle the situation well. Where was your pride, dignity and backbone? Was it that hard to say no and walk away? Instead, you caved in to pressure. You held the power, why let him decide for you, why let him make you feel lousy?
 
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Lesson learnt, not happy, dont sell. At least wont feel so pek chek and can laugh at the fella later by starting thread in soft.

If sell already, at least theres money in hand and still can start thread and bash the person lau peh in words

And lastly, worst case, buyer father not happy coz son not happy with geetar, happen to see this thread and demand refund, if not go police say cheat money. Hehe, this case, very lugi. Had to take back geetar, pay them back money and feel even more lousy.
 
Ha..haa... ya man, imagine these are the kind of situation our music shop face usually.
 
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