Muslims and alcohol

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What's a kacang? Anyway, why run off to get a stout? Get yourself a painkiller, it's a killer Rum cocktail, never actually seen it served in Singapore though.

Mmmm... Rummmmm!

I feel that some of us here have a very idealistic view of Muslims here. I am not a Muslim, but correct me if I'm wrong. People, no matter what religion, sin. There will be people falling, backsliding. Followers will stumble, make mistakes. Black sheeps do exist.

As for laws. Laws are laws. Want to make a difference? Go be a politician.
 
Engel: Forgive me for not giving Prof Dawkins credit for his evolutionary theory on morality, cos I learn most of my values from what my religion and society taught me, not the Prof. When I was young I was told not to do it, so I don't do it. When I grew older I asked myself why I don't do it, and think about the reasons. Once I see the reasons behind not doing it, I therefore do not do it.

As much as I do not believe everything is dictated by religion, I also do not believe that everything is dictated by theories like evolution.

But I would believe that the book would be a good read. Perhaps I shall pick it up one day :)

Anyway, to go back into the topic of this thread. Some interesting points have been brought up about the case. Basically I think what disturbs us is the severity of the punishment dealt to something that to most of society is socially acceptable. Perhaps a councilling, a fine, a few days of jail... these are perhaps the some of the alternatives that may be put forward as oppose to caning.

But when it deals with something that ties to religion, the weight of the "crime" is perceive as much more severe. Something that may be socially acceptable like consuming alcohol does not equate to acceptable in the eyes of religion. Other examples include homosexuality, pornography, gambling etc etc. These, in the eyes of the religious law, is deeply wrong, but in modern times it has become socially acceptable.

Think about it this way: in the eyes of the social law, piracy and sharing of songs is wrong. Yet, it is socially common. Does it make it any less wrong? In the eyes of the Singapore law, no. No matter what, as a Singaporean, you still get fined or jailed for it. That is the law.

Taking this into the religious context. You claim to believe in a particular faith, yet you practice what is religiously wrong. It may be socially common, but is it less wrong? At least in the eyes of your faith, it's not. So if you get caught, as a practitioner of your faith, you should be punished as how your faith dictates it. That IS the law.

Anyway, everyone seems to scrutinies how Islam punish its people. Has anybody ever taken notice about how such crimes can be easily pardoned? I believe, a murderer does not need the pardon of a president to escape the death sentence. Pardon can be given by the family members of the victim, on their own terms and condition.
 
wahhhhh, best lah this thread......lotsa intelligent debate. I see from all aspects put forward.

We know when not to cross the line ,be it Race, Religion or Nationality.

I am a Muslim and a Singaporean and salute to all that discusses with heart and mind.
 
dragging you guys back to the first post fgl posted up...

what can i say... to the guy and girl convicted... wrong place, wrong time. if both of them were to do at a different place at different times, chances are they might not been caught, sparing from tiger stripes on their butts.
 
Malaysian - I choose the title thread of M'Sia TAK Boleh as a play on the POPULAR TERM Malaysia Boleh.

Lets be open about this. Even your very own LAT the famous cartoonist pokes fun at Malaysia - openly at that in the main newspaper / print media - as he does poke fun at S'pore & other countries / cultures etc ...it's called humour.

I did not choose a thread title like "Muslims / drinking" etc coz my point was to emphasize the strict drinking laws (among other laws) for Muslims in Malaysia in some states.

Somehow or other the whole topic became something else off and went way off tangent into a religious discussion with executions & che wek sub themes ...

But if you had an issue with it ... then I guess a "refomasi" had to be done!

By the way mod - alcohol is plural ...no "s" ....

Ok ..... I'm goin out to party this weekend when my entire clan from KL coming down to town.....hahah yes - My mum and other relatives are all Malaysians living in Kuala Lumpur / Kampung Bahru ....

Salam bros & sises
 
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i am not muslim but i do think if the (every) religion law say no then no laaa.

but .... then again there is a thinking on how to adopt a law to a suitable environment. in this case, imo, if we live in non-winter climate and no forcefull need for alcohol then the no reason can't be reasonable to not follow the law.but if you are staying in 0 celcius climate, such in central asia highland, then *maybe* there is an exception.

however every times we do injection isn't alcohol being in used to sterilize the wound. i guess this is a good adaptation if this is counted.

as for a way to punish, if the concept is to shame the person, then there are more creative way, like.... post on internet ... :)
 
Taking this into the religious context. You claim to believe in a particular faith, yet you practice what is religiously wrong. It may be socially common, but is it less wrong? At least in the eyes of your faith, it's not. So if you get caught, as a practitioner of your faith, you should be punished as how your faith dictates it. That IS the law.

[insert regular disclaimer IMHO/FWIW/etc etc etc due to the sensitivity of the topic]

There are those who are born into the faith and do not have a choice even if they want out.
 
Taking this into the religious context. You claim to believe in a particular faith, yet you practice what is religiously wrong. It may be socially common, but is it less wrong? At least in the eyes of your faith, it's not. So if you get caught, as a practitioner of your faith, you should be punished as how your faith dictates it. That IS the law.

let the religion punish them?
which human have the right to punish another human in the name of the supreme being ?
those whatever religious leader are selected by others human, not by the supreme being, they are still just human ? no ?

(saying religion as a whole, all religion)
 
tsk tsk tsk.
This is why Religion, Sex and Politics must never be made as a public discussion.

Why? It's going on quite healthily, some people like Heckler&Koch know what they are talking about and are contributing sensible thoughts and perspectives on the matter.
 
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Terror suspect says plotted to attack Singapore airport: report


AFP - Thursday, January 15 SINGAPORE (AFP) - - A Singaporean man on trial in Indonesia for plotting terror attacks has said he plotted to crash a plane into the island-state's Changi Airport, the Straits Times reported Wednesday.

Mohammad Hassan bin Saynudin said he and alleged Jemaah Islamiyah (JI) member Mas Selamat bin Kastari planned to hijack a plane in Bangkok and ram it into the airport, the report said.
The plan was aborted when Thai authorities became aware of it, he told the newspaper from a court lock-up in Indonesia on Tuesday.
"We wanted to do it out of anger with Singapore for being an ally of the United States for what it did in Afghanistan," said Hassan, also an alleged member of the Southeast Asia-based Islamic militant group JI.
"What I was trying to do was to defend Islam and Muslims."
The Straits Times said this was the first time an alleged extremist linked to the JI has admitted planning to carry out an attack on Changi Airport, a regional aviation hub.
Singaporean authorities had previously said that JI members including Mas Selamat planned to crash a plane into Changi Airport in 2001.
Hassan was one of ten suspected JI members who went on trial Tuesday in Indonesia for plotting attacks against foreigners and Christian priests in the country.
According to the charge sheet, he received military training in Afghanistan around 2000 and met Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden.
Mas Selamat, the alleged Singapore leader of JI, escaped from a tightly guarded detention facility in the city-state last year and remains at large.
Singapore is a close ally of the United States in the "war against terror" and officials have said the island-state is a top target for extremists.
 
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