Muslims and alcohol

[ash_88]

How is stoning someone is more cruel than hanging, electrocuting, shooting or beheading?? So you saying that Singapore as a whole is a barbaric society since you believe that civil law is barbaric too?



Then why can one be arrested and be revoked of his license if he is found to be above the alcohol limit in his bloodstream while driving? He has not cause an accident or anything. Can the police read the future then by arresting him when he has not caused any injuries to anyone?



Only if you get caught and charged under Shariah law. Same with khalwat. Shariah law is the same everywhere bro since its law made by God.

you got a point i guess. but then in that case the car becomes a weapon with a drunken man. i suppose that is why the police revokes your license. same thing where in the u.s you can keep a gun but bringing it out openly in the streets may label you a potential terrorist or murderer. right now we do know what this malay man or woman has done except for the fact that they were drinking in a pub(closed enviroment). same thing where in the u.s you can keep a gun but bringing it out openly in the streets may label you a potential terrorist or murderer. but i guess to me, i see the drinking as just a petty crime as compared to maybe a person behind the wheel of a car when he is drunk.

i don't find shariah law barbaric as well. for the heavier punishment against stuff like rape or murder or genocide i think its the same everywhere and most of the time the people who convicted the crime truely deserve it, be it electrocution, hanging or stoning. you already took a persons life and it could even have been in cold blood so i tink this is just a tit for tat. even if the criminal would have realise it later on its too late. blood has been spilled and the criminal has to pay

 

[EngelFaeuste]

That's why I'm an atheist, and am very happy church attendance in the UK is plummeting like a pig flung out of a plane. I enjoy my freedom!

On the other hand, I don't really care what your excuse is, but if you're religious, please follow your scripture to the letter! I think these people deserve it. If they wish not to follow what their religious superiors tell them, just convert out?

Oh and since this came up, I find myself agreeing with the death penalty, however, there must be sufficient safeguards in place to ensure that a man who is not guilty is not sent to to gallows, which I honestly feel, many countries who still use the death penalty do not have.

 

[hecklerkoch]

IMHO, it's fairly easy and doesn't take much effort and brains to label others lor.

Takes a certain characteristic to see things in a simplistic angle, rather than trying to understand (not to be confused with condoning).

For example, for a small child to grow up in war-torn Afghanistan, seeing his mother dead with shrapnel on her face, his brother's limbs all over the place ie. constantly exposed to raw death and destruction, lack of exposure and basic education to the outside world due to extreme poverty. It only takes a few radical words from an extremist with a political agenda to shape that boy into a what people like to call today, a 'terrorist'.

There are thousands like this boy today, with practically nothing to lose, thus the war we see right now will still go on for a long, long time.

Don't be mistaken - it's the likely same story with 'terrorists' of another time and place, be it Chechnya in Russia in the past decade or warriors of the Cimbri tribe in 105BC. There's always injustice occurring preceding to acts of terrorism, and the response.

Unfortunately, the term 'terrorist' and the act of terrorism is most often associated with Muslims currently, thanks to the Western media, for reasons I'd rather not discuss, though I am pretty sure those who are in the know perfectly understand it (in the correct context, of course).

It all boils down to primal fear though I personally feel some Singaporeans basically just fear being nudged out of their comfort zones, or fear being ostracized for not being able to fit in with the rest, that makes them harbor simplistic view and subsequently become suspicious of all things different ie. xenophobic.

What most of us have suffered at any point of time in our lives as Singaporeans is basically NOTHING compared to the sad and sorry state of those born into famine, war and destruction, and sometimes never even have a chance to even think for a moment, why these horrible, horrible things are going on in their lives.

So, I basically do not respect people who don't seem to be able to think beyond simplistic labels and a few sensationalistic reports in the media, because I think knowledge is of utmost importance, in order to become tolerant and maintain harmony and basic human respect among each other.

 

[EngelFaeuste]

=HecklerKoch

For someone who's online alias is of a really big arms manufacturer, you bear some pretty moderate views which I concur with.

 

[EngelFaeuste]

i'm right now in a certain part of Europe where soft drugs are legal and when i was relating our laws on drug possession to some locals here, they were more or less shocked and i think even began to view us as a backward nation. the question that followed after the dude heard this was 'are you all a democracy?'

HAH, have fun, that's the fastest way to get discriminated against when you're in Holland. Please tell me you told them you disagree with the harshness of Singaporean law, or prepare to be looked down on.

 

[ash_88]

certain countries draw the line abit further then others i suppose. but labelling a country backward just because simple drugs are not dealt with here is abit harsh don't you tink? but i suppose if their country see drugs as an ok thing than its their problem while being a more conservative society here its a bad thing for us. different views i guess. for us going over there and seeing them deal with simple drugs without being harass by the law is a culture shock for maybe a malaysian or singaporean going there. well the world is a big place and everywhere people are brought up differently we just got to be more tolerant and respectful of each other and this would be a better place.

 

[ash_88]

[=hecklerkoch

western media is very good for creating enemies for people. it used to be the communist. now with them gone they need a new enemy to point fingers at. speaking about afghanistan and terrorist, the ironic thing is that the americans used to provide weapons and training for the mujahidden to fight the soviets. and now they have come back to bite their masters back. once they were associates helping one another fight a common enemy, now they are trying to wipe them off the earth. the irony

 

[Disco Ditto]

everyone here should stop verbalisin' and start herbalisin'...


*puff puff*

 

[ash_88]

everyone here should stop verbalisin' and start herbalisin'...


*puff puff*

whats herbalisin?

 

[Disco Ditto]

whats herbalisin?

lol!!!!!!!

 

[theliverevolution]

aiya. its quite true that the Western world always are fearful of Muslims after Osama claimed the Sept 11 attack as a "religious" reason and all that rubbish.

As for drinking, IMO, I really feel that it is up to the person to decide whether he/she wants to break his religion rules or not. Having a religion myself, I understand both viewpoints about whether the punishment was acceptable or not. Ultimately, I beleive that it is up to the person to decide whether he wants to conform to the rules and guidelines stated in his holy book or not. It should not be the government's decision at all

 

[blank]

This may sound a little preachy and I apologies beforehand to non-Muslim softies here..

Muslims are prohibited to drink beer irregardless of which country they are in. Though we Muslims have no right to judge others on who goes to hell or heaven in the afterlife, it is within our duty to warn/prevent fellow Muslims to committing wrong and sin in the views of Islam. If the fellow Muslim still does not heed the advice given then he is definately in the wrong and must bear the consequences when being caught doing so. Just as Allah has decreed, “No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another.” (Surah al-Isra, V: 15).

I don't mean to offend but Bro FGL, I do not know what your intention is by pasting this news article. IMO, its just a chance for western media to showcase the world in their view that Shariah law is "barbaric" compared to their brand of civil law. If this article was fair, a supplement writeup or annex explaining Islamic views on alcohol consumption should be included so that non-Muslims will get a better understanding of the Shariah law. This article certainly certainly help to further increase the misconception of Islam.

At the end of the day, Muslims must remember that they have to abide to the rules of the Quran and the Prophet's Sunnah as these are the foundation of the Islamic faith. Its just sad to see that many Muslims do not bother or try to take a deeper understading to their faith nowadays.

It's pretty crazy to apply such a law in a modern context.
It doesn't matter how the Islamic view explains it, in our modern world it's absolutely ridiculous. I'm seeing the article as them walking around finding anyone who is malay and with alcohol and punishing them, which is mind-boggling to me in a place like Malaysia.

 

[billthegeek]

Why is alcohol bad? Because my religious says it is (QED).

I award you full marks for rationality. Congratulations.


Religion should adapt with modern changes. Past traditions which may be useful once upon a time, may no longer be relevant today.

Besides, acts of compassion should stem from the heart, not out of fear of punishment. I see this as comparable to our govt.'s law which convicts anyone who makes racist comments. You can jail racists but you don't resolve the problem of racism.

 

[billthegeek]

That's why I'm an atheist, and am very happy church attendance in the UK is plummeting like a pig flung out of a plane. I enjoy my freedom!

On the other hand, I don't really care what your excuse is, but if you're religious, please follow your scripture to the letter! I think these people deserve it. If they wish not to follow what their religious superiors tell them, just convert out?

Oh and since this came up, I find myself agreeing with the death penalty, however, there must be sufficient safeguards in place to ensure that a man who is not guilty is not sent to to gallows, which I honestly feel, many countries who still use the death penalty do not have.

Apostasy is illegal in certain Islamic states and is punishable by death; it states so in Islamic law. Even if it is legalised, you will receive a lot of discrimination for being an atheist - such as in the USA.

 

[evodia]

Lets close this thread
and
Let God be the judge, and judge them.

 

[EngelFaeuste]

=Bill

Yes I know, I'd define an average American as a twat and a half. Other than the horrendous cost of living, Britain's a far nicer place to be than say, across the pond.

 

[hecklerkoch]

Why is alcohol bad? Because my religious says it is (QED).

I award you full marks for rationality. Congratulations.

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If any Muslim says that and actually means it, without knowing why it is prohibited, then I presume his IQ has two digits on it.

God has given man brains to pursue knowledge, at the same time have faith for things he cannot see or 'see', if you know what I mean.

There are no mystical reasons to a lot of rules laid out in a lot of religions, just plain logic, with love, compassion, thoughtfulness, and the good things thrown in.

It is just up to you to find out and do whatever you think wish with it, though the actual and original objective is totally positive in nature.

 

[visa]

^ well said.

 

[hecklerkoch]

=HecklerKoch

For someone who's online alias is of a really big arms manufacturer, you bear some pretty moderate views which I concur with.

Hahahaha.. yes, firearms may be tools of murder and destruction in the wrong hands BUT someone can still be fascinated with how they are engineered, how they work, what you can do with it non-destructively ie. sports, or just be drawn to it by some unexplainable reason.

So, for most people, guns are often seen in the hands of terrorists in Hollywood movies and the news, used to destroy and murder and all that. I just attribute that to limited exposure, resulting in simplistic perspective because they chose to think and be like that.

To some, firearms are necessary extensions of themselves, for example law enforcement officers and military soldiers, in their sometimes almost daily objective of holding up the law or protecting civilians from armed criminals.

And to others, the sports of precision shooting is in itself an attraction, the challenge of shooting that bull's eye, whether you are running or just standing there. I am sure any genuine sportsman will be able to understand and relate to that.

 

[hecklerkoch]

Apostasy is illegal in ....

Off topic .. but Bill (if that's your name) - your digital art pieces are really nice!

I've always wanted to be really good with 3D modeling and animation...