give up normal music

[KeDraiv]

i think the heart of the matter lies in the fact that humans classify.
because we classify, we define what's with us, what's not with us, what's against us and what are we against, and so on.
and that, results in the formation of an identity, between people of a class.

but if you should take away all that classification, identification, which Is possible since they are human constructs, you'll realised that all music will have some common ground.

but that aside,
the question that i have in mind is,
what makes music different from noise?
what makes us so sure that a sound we listen to is music whereas another sound we listen to is noise?
when we have no knowledge or what so ever of a particular tune written, be it a rapper's rapping, a north american chant, why do we define them as music and not noise?

lol, looking back i think the word "question" should be changed to "questions" but well, who cares.
haha.

and i still find it an irony that people who do not understand another genre of music say it sucks.
the only reason i find logical enough is that they saying that sort of music suck is because they couldn't understand.
haha.

 

[maven]

WOW couldnt believe you could write something like that (especially coming from someone with discerning musical tastes like you) .

lol at least it looks like youve learnt to apply stuff out of LA lessons ... LOL !

 

[tim098]

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Do note that you're also forcing your opinions onto others here. Diff ppl diff opinions on whether it's considered music to them. No matter how hard you try knock sense into me or them it's still pointless cos afterall it's an opinion.

heh yea mirrorboy and hydrofly im sorry it seemed that way, didnt really mean to sound so forceful.

I think i KIND of understand the genre bashers to an extent, due my hate of certain songs. Namely the 'thats not my name!' song. I think that song makes NO sense, musical or not, at all. its ridiculous and people mainstream love it because its supposedly 'indie'. (what a paradox, indie becoming mainstream)

Yea but hydrofly if u like classical music as well, im sure there are at least a small number of radio hits which u enjoy listening too.

 

[KeDraiv]

lol even radio classical music is mainstream.
i mean if you're those that do non-commercialised music in those days,
your scores are probably lost by now so there's no one playing it for you.
lol.

and maven, please stop wasting bandwidth.
thankyou.=]=]

 

[maven]

i am sorry .
please forgive me .

lol and here i am wasting bandwidth again -__-

 

[indianstallion]

This thread reminds me of this comic so just thought I share it.

 

[oahnuj]

The thing about music that separates from noise, is that music affects emotions.
A picture paints a thousand words, and i think music speaks a thousand words too or more.
For example like moonlight sonata, if you listen to it, what sort of emotions do you feel? For me i felt lonely, and its true, beetoven is a loner LOL. Like any other good music, it tells a story and evokes you to be happy? hype up? emo? reflective? angry? And yep music making can be trace right to AD, where people hit the drum to get the army hype up before war, and where early man shout "hugahuga" before hunting. (kk this huga huga part is nonsense) So that concludes my point music is something that evokes emotions
But ultimately, everyone has to eat and survive, and thus people write music more and more for economic value instead of artistic value. But of course there's still the artistic value, maybe 10%?
So yea for the mass people out there....would you rather lsiten to a 1 hour plus symphony thats sad and "boring" or like any nonsensical pop song you hear on radio? I guess 99% would prefer that catchy tune.
So yea, ultimately every musician will need to decide, for money or for art?

kk credits go to my symphonic band conductor for some of the wonderful insights that he normally talk about during band practice

 

[blackbird]

I'd been pretty half-half (I listened to a lot of the stuff my parents did, but then a lot of pop/hiphop stuff as well) until I found KT Tunstall... She was the coolest female guitarist ever, had an awesome loop pedal set up and wrote amazing songs, she always has interesting stories about them. Now I listen to loads of different genres, but I definitely prefer stuff that was written by the band that sings them, it makes the music even more wonderful...

 

[EzaRitualBella]

I listen to Toybox,Aqua,Backstreets Boys,Madonna all those..

Change my taste of music when i heard the early Korn and pick up the guitar when i was 9.

Till now.

I still listen to pop songs..hahahahaha

well Music is Universal in a way.there's always people who like it or hate it..

 

[KeDraiv]

=oahnuj

but i would say that noise does affect emotions too,
i mean how would you feel to be waken by the sound of car honkings due to the morning jam.

imo, i think what music does is that it affects the emotions aesthetically.
but then again what's aesthetic?

 

[billthegeek]

I'm an avid listener of heavy metal, but I usually don't refer myself as a metalhead because many of the metalheads are really ridiculous and nonsensical (although they hate to admit it). :mrgreen:

The anime Detroit Metal City, which parodies metal bands and their fans, really brings to light how ridiculous some metalheads really are. And the worse thing is that they take their views very seriously!

I listen to many other forms of music besides metal, such as post-rock, jazz fusion, house, bass n drum, nu-jazz and pop. After listening to these genres, I have arrived at the conclusion that, regardless of the genre, there will be good ones and crappy ones.

Metalheads who complain about other genres of music having no originality have conveniently overlooked the fact that there are tons of metal bands which sound virtually alike each other. Extreme metal, in my opinion, is a conservative form of music. Comparing a modern death metal band, Nile, with an old death metal band, Morbid Angel - I don't think much have changed for death metal. Both bands have still retained the wall of sound of guitar riffs, machine gun drums and harsh vocals, save for the fact that Nile has faster drums.

But I can understand why metalheads are so defensive of their favourite music. After living around with family, friends and colleagues who hates your music, it is understandable to be defensive of it.

 

[oahnuj]

yea! Aiyah KeDraiv you think too much le. You take KI is it?? lol
anyway i think noise is hard to define too. Music can be noise to some, take for example your parents? Whose parents here love death/black metal and dun regard it as noise??
So yea its a big blur line here between music and noise. But IMO good music is definitely something that influence or tells a story.

 

[KeDraiv]

lol i want to take KI, haha,
but it's not offered together with music.
like wdh.
haha.

 

[BleedsNoMore]

when i was young, i listened to fools' garden, the beatles, ABBA, A LOT of backstreet boys,(i dun like westlife, BSB FTW), and alot of other pop stuffs, all mainly influenced by my older siblings.. then i listen to a lot of older malay 60s music influenced by my parents, and i listened to a lot of heavy metal influenced by my uncle, and i listened to hindi songs influenced by my aunt who's an avid fan of hindi music.

Then in school, i listened to rap, hip hop, hardcore punk, punk rock, pop punk, rock, metal, death metal, jazz, blues, techno, trance, rhumba, post rock, noise, drone, goregrind, i can just go on, but these are some of the stuffs i chanced upon and loved for a certain period of time..

and now, i still like them all, and i can just listen to any of it and enjoy it, i didn't even bother to "quit" it, coz it's equally music and it deserves a chance for its "message" to be sent. so for those who says that this genre is better than that genre, is totally bullshit, music is still music. it is produced in a way or another to entertain certain people, maybe not you, but one man's poison might be another man's meat. Music is meant to be subjective, it's an art form anyway.

and i still like backstreet boys

 

[EzaRitualBella]

cmon...i know over here 1 or 2 have a backstreetboys cds .......


I admit i have the backstreet Back double cd with interview....!!!!.

 

[zullio]

BleedsNoMore: similar to my situation. except for the techno part.. and, i don't think there is such a thing as "normal" music, if its music, then its music.

plus, BSB ftw!

 

[EzaRitualBella]

Yeah bsb ftw!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8ae70g0TdA

Actually in imo.Pop songs back then was much nicer and more wise than nowadays pop culture thingy
Where any age gender can enjoy to the Music and the videos being played in Mtv.
Nowadys u see at Mtv such as the pussy cat dolls and 50cent so on and on.
Is like wth...skimpy shirts whore here and there.
Is like nowadays there extra rap scene here and there and gangster stuff.
Even Mariah carey got a rap scene,Alicia keys got a rap scene.
yeah so its like there a big gap between Nowadays radios or music videos

 

[BleedsNoMore]

dude, gangsta rap has way much2 better lyrical quality than the rapstars these days.. they used to rap abt politics, religion and everything else under their walks of life, but now all they rap abt is booty shaking, cranking da souljah boy(WTF!), and all that sex..

though i still feel that music is still music, i believe the music that evolves from itself should retain the actual reason of its existence..

 

[hatecrew]

i got my first exposure to music when i was a primary 3 kid. that was the boy band boom, and i thought it was crap, so i sorta abstained from music. back then no internet or computer or anything else for music exposure except radio, which usually only played boybands anyway.

started listening to rock in primary 6 (Red Hot Chili Peppers was the first band i listened to!) but got sidetracked in lower sec by radio crap. in upper sec i started listening to rock again. picked up the guitar in sec 4 and started listening to blues, hard rock, jazz, classical, metal, punk rock (real punk rock, not pop punk) and hardcore and many other genres of music. really opened my eyes.

now that i have matured (somewhat) and can see more clearly than back then, i realise that stereotypes to specific genres are really bad. for example, the MTV rap music (crap imo) we are exposed to in the radio is very different from their roots. non-mainstream rap is really good, although i can't really appreciate it as a whole.

since people can't seem to step back and look at the whole picture, stigmas are formed - and that is the sad but true outcome of music genres. heavy metal music is one of the victims, as a large bulk of people seem to still believe that every metal band are human sacrificing church burning satan worshippers that use subliminal messages to get people to commit mass suicide.

edit: guy above me speaks the truth

 

[zullio]

dude, gangsta rap has way much2 better lyrical quality than the rapstars these days.. they used to rap abt politics, religion and everything else under their walks of life, but now all they rap abt is booty shaking, cranking da souljah boy(WTF!), and all that sex.

oo gangsta rap.. i like tupac. wait, thats the only one i listen to.. haha.

actually, the rappers still do rap about their lives, its just more money-related, girl/shorty/hoe/_________(insert preferred term)-related and alot about their cars and their jordans and air force 1s..

amongst all those, there still are amazing lyricists. cant really give examples though. but jay-z and lil' wayne are amazing lyricists imo.