Battle Of Mumbai..Your thoughts..

[Whitestrat]

Fighting terrorism should never have been an offensive battle. Waging wars and attacking countries holding them achieves only a small effect. In the bigger picture, it hardly does anything other than steal precious lives and incur more of the terrorists' wrath and then determination for revenge.

But if it is not an offensive move, how do you root out such groups and keep them at bay? Then again, a successful offensive move against these groups is harder to come by than a virgin in a bar.:???:

 

[rottenramone]

to root out terrorism, i would suggest 4 fronts:

- stop/reduce media sensationalism
- making sure that religion is separate from politics
- giving the poor/disaffected opportunities for self development

u can never get rid of right-wing nutjobs, but u can diminish their visibility.

 

[tim098]

Haha media sensationalism. Most of us here in Singapore haven't experienced media outside of here. In Mumbai and in Australia, among MANY other places im sure, the news is so sensational they make even a lump of soil on the ground look like the tallest mountain in the world.

Seperating religion from politics, realistically that can never happen. Especially in Islamic countries, to seperate religion from politics would be asking for it. (this is what i think but im not 100% sure on this)

Bro RR, all those ways are really ideal and i cant disagree with them at all. However it is ideal. I dont know how it can be actually implemented in this world we live in

 

[martel]

Tim098 and Thoa, you both can think rationally. May Lord Vishnu bless your music. As for Anirudh, i think you never check my earlier postings, i am a Hindu. Are you one? I don't condone terrorist acts,but you calling me an "ignorant" one,will incurr some bad karmas to yourself. We as hindus believe that what you give will come back to yourself.

 

[rottenramone]

hey martel, u haven't told us your caste yet.

http://soft.com.sg/forum/music-kopi...ables-last-rescued-post712381.html#post712381

 

[tim098]

Oh Now I remember you Martel! From that thread that RR just brought up. Yes, I would like to know your caste too! Just so you know, I happen to be Indian, maybe that will be the difference between you telling me and not telling RR:mrgreen:

 

[empihsrow]

I seriously think terrorism is a blown-up issue.

Look back in history. Terrorism has existed since centuries ago and perhaps the most famous example of terrorism is the French Revolution. Terrorism has always existed since men learnt to war and I don't find it unusual that there could be a terrorist attack anytime, anywhere.

There is no way terrorism can ever be wiped out.

Radicals often fight for a cause which we often couldn't see and perhaps we should actually try to understand why are they fighting. No one fights for nothing. I believe these terrorists are not the anarchists we think they are, but more of a small group trying to get a message across, albeit the not-so-right way.

And I think our media is exaggerating. The death of one lawyer... And everything gets blown up. You know something? People are dying in Africa cos of war, disease and starvation.

What's one Singaporean's death as compared to those of Africa?

 

[rottenramone]

would you speak about the plight of africa if a masked man put a gun against your head?

 

[THOA]

I already knew who Martel was, lol.

 

[tpiledriver]

I have a friend who's an indian and used to live in india.
he mentioned that the police officers there are corrupted.
that shows how money can change things around.
long live the innocents.

 

[Tetragrammaton]

Most terrorism act are not because of religion. It is more about politics and money. Only those stupid fools..die killing innocent people!! May they(Killers,murderers) burn in the spewing mouth of HELL!!

 

[hecklerkoch]

Those severely affected by media sensationalism and propaganda should probably go out and travel more. Or maybe just try to read a bit more extensively.

Though it is a personal choice, the product of closed and narrow minds indirectly have undesirable and ultimately, unhealthy effects on society as a whole.

No acts of terrorism should ever be condoned, just like no acts of mass murder and genocide should ever be, whatever the reasons were.

And I think many agree there are no clear good and bad sides here, it depends on which side of the line you are standing on, be it by personal choice or otherwise.

'Terrorism' is but a new keyword for this century, but it has existed in many forms, acted because of thousands of political and non-political reasons, and affected many, MANY more lives and in more horrendous ways, throughout human history but the objective and results are basically the same - to induce fear and force two sides to act against each other, nevermind that innocents are killed in the process.

They are scary only because this time, you get to see the bloodshed on television and the media, and played up more through the silver screen, with all the Hollywood heroes and badasses running through with guns a-blazing.

Terrorism will only end when humans cease to exist.

 

[empihsrow]

would you speak about the plight of africa if a masked man put a gun against your head?

Well, think of it this way. I do not fear death cos ultimately everyone has to die. Besides, I'm pretty sure the masked man, or let's presume the masked man is a terrorist from Kashmir, would have also suffered the same plight as anyone who's suffering in Africa.

Terrorism has got onto big lights ever since Bush decided to go totally anti-terror. -.-

But I guess I have to say something about terrorism. When things cannot work out in a peaceful manner, violence is indeed the only way to get a message across. It's simple. Either peace or war. I'm sure radicals often only turn radicals because their voices get lost in transmission somewhere, somehow. No one is born a radical and I believe that they do not have a choice. We all know what India has done with Kashmir. It's something neither hidden nor open, but it's still something India or the majority of India has done little about.

And people, I think Islam extremists are nothing today. We just didn't live in the ages of the Crusade.

For all the innocent blood spilled, I will just say sorry but you got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. No one can predict such a terror and to die without any reason must have been a tragedy. Rest in peace.

 

[fuzztremecho]

bro empihsrow

interesting viewpoint..

nevertheless..Bush did not contribute to the "big lights" on terrorism/anti-terror..in my view, with the advancement of technology, we are more 'wired' to the world around us better and faster than in 60's/70's/80's

for older Softies..we can recalled the 1974 Laju boat incident whereby Singapore's Pulau Bukom was taken hostage by elements of Japanese Red Army / Palestinian militants or 1991 SIA hijack incident involving supporters of Pakistani People's Party..PPP..this is the very party of the late Benazir Bhutto..

Most of terrorists' income came from the drug trade...Afghanistan/northern Pakistan tribal areas are prime areas for the cultivation of poppy fields and heroin/marijuana are always in constant demand...

for the record..I do fear death..why ?? I have responsibilities as a father,husband,brother and friend..to leave my loved ones behind when there is yet much to be done in achieving my hopes and dreams is akin to shortchanging/lowballing myself..

 

[bockscar]

All the talk about this.

My family is going to Bali 20th to 25th Dec. We'll be staying at Kuta beach. I was initially quite worried since the 2002 and 2005 bombings took place there.

And Bali is a target for terrorists since alot of caucasians go there and these terrorists want to decrease the no. of muslims being killed.

Some would say, if its time to go, its time to go. I'm more of the, 'play safe' type of person.

 

[jullian_bei]

Bali is always a safe place to go. enjoy....

read in yahoo that Mumbai did not have SWAT unit to combat emergency situation. I wonder is Singapore has such facility also or not.

 

[Whitestrat]

I seriously think terrorism is a blown-up issue.

Huh? Blown up as in inflated? as in No as serious as it's made out to be? Huh?

Look back in history. Terrorism has existed since centuries ago and perhaps the most famous example of terrorism is the French Revolution. Terrorism has always existed since men learnt to war and I don't find it unusual that there could be a terrorist attack anytime, anywhere.

How was the French Revolution considered as Terrorism? I'm not too familiar with this concept. Please enlighten me.

Terrorism is not war, nor is it the fight for belief. Terrorism is causing terror to people. It is making people quake in their boots, and shit in their pants. It's making people afraid to do things, affecting your way of life, and removing your right and ability to do anything about it. It's about instilling fear, and collateral damage. Lives don't necessarily have to be lost. I can hack your internet account, and dig your deepest darkest secrets and haunt you with it simply because I want to disrupt your very fibre of your being. THAT is terrorism. Alas, such attacks often come with violence.

The Sept 11 attacks weren't meant specifically to kill. It was to prove that America, with their vaunted security system and military, were not invulnerable. It was to shake the people's sense of security.

Previously, main acts of violence were considered as war. Done face to face, and civilians are supposed to be protected. This of course is (after the Geneva Convention) in more civilised times. Medieval times had pillages, rapes and plunders. Much like what the Japanese did to us.

Do you expect such attacks on your way of life to happen commonly?

There is no way terrorism can ever be wiped out.

Correct. But it can be controlled. With much effort, time and lives, I honestly think you can weed out major groups. It's just a matter of how many cells you can afford to leave behind.

Radicals often fight for a cause which we often couldn't see and perhaps we should actually try to understand why are they fighting. No one fights for nothing. I believe these terrorists are not the anarchists we think they are, but more of a small group trying to get a message across, albeit the not-so-right way.

This is NOT a small group. Please. Get that into your head. A small group can take ONE building. Not multiple. A small group will not be able to get such quantities of weapons, nor have up-to-date intel on who specifically they should eliminate in the opposition's chain of command. A small group is not so purpose driven. These people planned to come in and take as many lives as possible. They are not anarchists. In this, you are right. They want to bring forth THEIR version of a new world order, where their religion (or so it seems) reigns supreme. And they are willing to attack everything you hold dear to get it.

Please don't try to trivialise any such attempts. They are not trivial. I fear not so much for those 30 or so families who have to deal with death this weekend. I fear more for self confident, unsuspecting, misdirected sympathising people LIKE YOU. I hope to God these things don't happen to ANYONE.

I don't know how you were taught, but I was raised to believe that NOTHING is worth taking a man's life over. Except to protect my own, and my family's. And that is not aggression. That's self defense. There is NO excuse to kill anyone, no matter how strong my bliefs are. It's the difference between me talking to you because we disagree, and me simply shooting you in the head because we disagree.

And I think our media is exaggerating. The death of one lawyer... And everything gets blown up. You know something? People are dying in Africa cos of war, disease and starvation.

What's one Singaporean's death as compared to those of Africa?

I sincerely hope this is the same outlook you will have if something similar does ever happen to your family. (which, I sincerely hope never comes to pass) Then it would be easier for you to bear. People die in Africa from conditions. Situations where there is no control, and no protection. And please, get your facts straight. Think before you speak. Not all of Africa suffers like this. There are relief efforts where this suffering happens. That action process is an ongoing one. They are not ignored.

I apologise if my post comes across offensive. But I think you really need to wake up from your dreamland and smell the carnage that is happening.

 

[Whitestrat]

And people, I think Islam extremists are nothing today. We just didn't live in the ages of the Crusade.

For all the innocent blood spilled, I will just say sorry but you got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. No one can predict such a terror and to die without any reason must have been a tragedy. Rest in peace.

Again, you are spouting nonsense. The crusades were OPEN WARFARE between 2 religions. OPEN. Everyone could see it coming. Everyone had a CHOICE whether they wanted to be part of it or not. And most chose to take part.

But did the 30 or so in India choose to be part of this war?

For the crusades, there were no unsuspecting attacks. Everyone knew who the enemy was, and where they were. People were prepared. You could say more or less that everyone had some fighting chance to survive, mainly because people then KNEW that war was with them.

This time, no one was prepared.

You talk like a blind man trying to compare between the differences in colours.

 

[Whitestrat]

read in yahoo that Mumbai did not have SWAT unit to combat emergency situation. I wonder is Singapore has such facility also or not.

Yes we do. Not really a small team either...:mrgreen:

 

[Whitestrat]

nevertheless..Bush did not contribute to the "big lights" on terrorism/anti-terror..in my view, with the advancement of technology, we are more 'wired' to the world around us better and faster than in 60's/70's/80's

Correct. The Aumshimricho Tokyo Metro poisoning, the IRA, the Libyan bombers... all have been around. Bush merely went on a rampage for oil in the name of stamping out the root of AL Qaeda. how Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11, today, I'm still wondering.

But it seems that terrorism is a living beast, who used to reside in old europe in the past, shifting to the arab nations today. Europe used to have lot of these things in the 70s and 80s. Then Asia had it's fair share in Japan, and some bit of China. Even we in Singapore weren't spared. McDonald House bombing anyone?

for older Softies..we can recalled the 1974 Laju boat incident whereby Singapore's Pulau Bukom was taken hostage by elements of Japanese Red Army / Palestinian militants or 1991 SIA hijack incident involving supporters of Pakistani People's Party..PPP..this is the very party of the late Benazir Bhutto..

The SIA hijack was cool man... The efficiency and brutality of our SOF was pleasantly surprising. I remember the scene of the SOF guy draging the body of one terrorist doen the plane stairs on the news. Shiok!

for the record..I do fear death..why ?? I have responsibilities as a father,husband,brother and friend..to leave my loved ones behind when there is yet much to be done in achieving my hopes and dreams is akin to shortchanging/lowballing myself..

I feel you man... We're both in the same shoes. Father, Husband, etc etc...