$30 fine for eating sweet

[hecklerkoch]

One of these days I am going to try and suck on a sweet and wait for one of them.

Then I will swallow the sweet I was sucking on and when they ask me, I'll ask them for proof.

If they insist on my IC, I'll want to see how they react if I refuse to give them my IC.

I'm not really sure but if I am correct, I have the right to refuse to hand them my IC and I can just get off the train and the station if I have allegedly flouted their rules.

I don't think they have the power to restrain or demand that I surrender them my IC.

Anybody else thinks the same?

 

[Hickey_]

One sided story. Perhaps your friend didn't tell you the whole story. I don't think SMRT is so ridiculous as to fine somebody walking through the station carrying a bottle of mineral water. Something else is amiss. If that's really true, your friend can write in to ST forum. Will make a great story...

Even if his friend is drinking i don't see that being an offence. Even if he SPILLED that thing i don't see how is that breaking the law. No?

 

[hedron]

One of these days I am going to try and suck on a sweet and wait for one of them.

Then I will swallow the sweet I was sucking on and when they ask me, I'll ask them for proof.

Actually you don't even need a sweet, you just make loud sucking sounds with empty mouth. If they want to fine you it proves much more how ridiculous the regulation is.

 

[kawerty]

I would give them $30, then picnic there.

woots! i wan join also! make a mass -sucking on sweet- picnic! Cause food are actually 500 or smth =.=

Also,spilling of drinks is not fineable,but wrapers or rocks are under littering =)

Btw,eating even outside the gate is fineable if i'm not wrong.

Also,dealing of goods and products IN the gantry gate is fineable too(its SMRT's premisses wad,their land)

 

[kawerty]

One of these days I am going to try and suck on a sweet and wait for one of them.

Then I will swallow the sweet I was sucking on and when they ask me, I'll ask them for proof.

If they insist on my IC, I'll want to see how they react if I refuse to give them my IC.

I'm not really sure but if I am correct, I have the right to refuse to hand them my IC and I can just get off the train and the station if I have allegedly flouted their rules.

I don't think they have the power to restrain or demand that I surrender them my IC.

Anybody else thinks the same?

Others would,but let me make this clear,if you deny their power/authorities to check your IC,its the same as denying a policeman/woman as it is still under the law that eating is restricted and they have every right to suspect anyone who is,since btw it is in thier 'land' or premises .

Well,even if they don't have the power/authorities to check,they can call in the 'real' authorities , AKA The Police Force . In the end,you'll be wasting time,and disgrace urself . So better to go by the rule(in this case) of SMRT and the registered law which prolly took MONTHS to be official from a small little bill. So otherwise,it would be the same as dismissing the time and effort of the parliarment who painstakingly took time to evaluate this whole thing and made it official,in the other sense,your going against the whole parliarment .(well,i assumed it was by law to not eat in the trains,so if i was wrong,pls correct me)

 

[hecklerkoch]

I've already said if I refuse to surrender them my IC and offer to leave the train and station - do you think they would have the power to restrain ie. not let me leave the train until I surrender my IC or they will call the police.

And I've already said that they wouldn't have any proof (after I've swallowed the sweet) whatsoever other than having seen it with with their eyes.

Can that (seeing with their eyes) be counted as evidence in court?

If they decide to make something as ridiculous as this a court case, that is.

 

[LeMovement]

I've already said if I refuse to surrender them my IC and offer to leave the train and station - do you think they would have the power to restrain ie. not let me leave the train until I surrender my IC or they will call the police.

And I've already said that they wouldn't have any proof (after I've swallowed the sweet) whatsoever other than having seen it with with their eyes.

Can that (seeing with their eyes) be counted as evidence in court?

If they decide to make something as ridiculous as this a court case, that is.

If you refuse them your IC then they will have the authority to restrain you because in their eyes and in their books, you have committed the offence of 'eating' regardless if its a sweet or not. If you still refuse, then they will call in the police.

If they saw you eating the sweet and still you would llike to deny it,they will ask your neighbours or those in that cabin to be witnesses but then that one all very leceh already and would be needless.

Then again LTA can kiss my ass.

 

[kawerty]

I've already said if I refuse to surrender them my IC and offer to leave the train and station - do you think they would have the power to restrain ie. not let me leave the train until I surrender my IC or they will call the police.

And I've already said that they wouldn't have any proof (after I've swallowed the sweet) whatsoever other than having seen it with with their eyes.

Can that (seeing with their eyes) be counted as evidence in court?

If they decide to make something as ridiculous as this a court case, that is.

:mrgreen: But still better not to test their limits,also,if they asked you to stay and you won't, it would be like flouting a law in a country and migrating,and yes,police will step in.

i don't think they will bring to court,but still do you think they're stupid enuf not to smell your breath or smth?(take underage smoking for eg. , No proof you smoked,but the smells deny that you did not) . and yes,it might be evidence if police steps in,and ur smell is still there,in that case,they will write a report and judge makes the choice .

Thats not the worst,the worst is if ur convicted and THEN fined. The media likes these stuffs,you'll be faamous then , in an embarrassing way,would you not be?:???:

 

[kawerty]

Then again LTA can kiss my ass.

why? i mean,if mass majority taking the transit did not test the limit in the 1st place,would LTA/SMRT come up with this?

Seems to me ur hating the wrong group here .

 

[hecklerkoch]

If you refuse them your IC then they will have the authority to restrain you because in their eyes and in their books, you have committed the offence of 'eating' regardless if its a sweet or not. If you still refuse, then they will call in the police.

If they saw you eating the sweet and still you would llike to deny it,they will ask your neighbours or those in that cabin to be witnesses but then that one all very leceh already and would be needless.

Then again LTA can kiss my ass.

Are you guys sure?

The last time I remember, if you don't want your bag checked if the staff at the MRT security checkpoint stops you - you have the option to leave the station altogether but they absolutely do not have the right to demand to handle your personal property if you don't want them to.

I think nobody here knows the exact law for sure, so I better find out myself.

Somebody here gave me a good idea - make sucking sounds as though you are sucking on a sweet. Then when caught, of course you are telling the truth and say that you are not eating anything.

See what they will do.

 

[LeMovement]

why? i mean,if mass majority taking the transit did not test the limit in the 1st place,would LTA/SMRT come up with this?

Seems to me ur hating the wrong group here .

I agree that the law is in part due to past comuters eating and drinking the heavier stuff like burgers, ice-cream etc.

Then again in the eyes of law enforcement, there's such a thing as discretion, the empathy to consider all options. And LTA/SMRT is being a dick for not doing that.

Do you think eating a sweet merits someone getting fined?

 

[LeMovement]

Are you guys sure?

The last time I remember, if you don't want your bag checked if the staff at the MRT security checkpoint stops you - you have the option to leave the station altogether but they absolutely do not have the right to demand to handle your personal property if you don't want them to.

I think nobody here knows the exact law for sure, so I better find out myself.

Somebody here gave me a good idea - make sucking sounds as though you are sucking on a sweet. Then when caught, of course you are telling the truth and say that you are not eating anything.

See what they will do.

If you committed an offence in someone's property, then they have the right.

Refusing to have your bags checked at MRT security checkpoint its fine provided you leave the station. But refusing to have your bags checked then still taking the MRT, then that one stupid already.

 

[hecklerkoch]

If you committed an offence in someone's property, then they have the right.

Refusing to have your bags checked at MRT security checkpoint its fine provided you leave the station. But refusing to have your bags checked then still taking the MRT, then that one stupid already.

Even an alleged murdered have the right to engage an attorney to defend him.

Don't tell me, if for some reason you find that you still have a sweet in your mouth that you popped in before you entered the MRT station and boarded the train, you can't even offer to leave their premises and have to accept the summons?

Bloody ridiculous IMHO.

 

[kawerty]

Don't tell me, if for some reason you find that you still have a sweet in your mouth that you popped in before you entered the MRT station and boarded the train, you can't even offer to leave their premises and have to accept the summons?

Bloody ridiculous IMHO.

Dude,if ur in the right state of mind,you would swallow sweet/chew it out before you get in the permises .

If you don't , work on ur reflexes and accept the summon.

Btw,it still seem to me ur proving ur point,and i get it. My suggestion to you is,go to the doctor's , get an mc stating u MUST eat in mrt with a clear,reasonable medical explanation and try again . But i still doubt a clean doc would do that .

 

[hecklerkoch]

Why? You've never forgotten about something in your life huh?

Not even once?

My grouse is still that the bloody sweet is already in your mouth.

You are obviously not going to open your mouth and dribble all over the floor and dirty the stupid train.

As with all laws and dealings with humankind - there is ALWAYS room for discretion.

I want to see if SMRT will practise some discretion, or will just fine everybody without offering them options.

There can be so many scenarios when people might NEED to suck on a sweet, as shared by the interviews in the videos, and SMRT need to cater to these possibilities when people actually NEED to have some sort of relief from throat discomfort while ensuring that they have the responsibility to not litter and throw their sweet wrappers on the floor.

As I said, IF that person who needed to have relief with some form of lozenge and is caught by the SMRT staff but sees no need to accept the fine but offers to leave the train and the station - why can't that be a feasible option if it's proven that he or she hasn't dirtied the train or station, and have offered an explanation that he or she needed to suck on that lozenge?

Right?

 

[biopromax]

Not sure bout sweets.

But plain water in a bottle.. Hmm.. What can a plain water do? If the water spill. Trip and fall ?
Ants will come? Hmm..

Trip and fall. Very unlikely. We experienced wet floor when its raining. Hmm.. A topic/thread worth talking about. Then polls.

 

[freakznet]

I honestly am amazed at the Singaporean attitude. Things like 'just follow the law lor'.

So then, all private tutors should be punished for not declaring taxes. People here on SOFT who sell gear at a higher price that they got it for a few times a year should be punished for not declaring taxes as well. It's all the law what.

The law is not ridiculous, only the person who enforce the law is. cool...

 

[henryvelge]

srsly... what is up with gov. so where does the $30 go? cleaning up the mrt?

 

[guitarsan]

srsly... what is up with gov. so where does the $30 go? cleaning up the mrt?

The $30 goes to 0.000000000000000000001% of PAP ministers' payrise.

 

[gsonique]

Wanna be first world country .....