why you shouldn't support gigs with minimum ticket sales.

thanks, bro litford bro. thanks for playing for our event earlier this month.

I know you can pump. Hurhurhur~ And I know some guys who can you bukakae on them. Yessshhh, I'm that dodgy. :lol:
 
we live in a world of free choice.bands wanna pay to play.
its their own CHOICE!

go ahead, u think that by not asking bands sell tix u are helping the scene. go ahead and prove urself.

its not a bad thing the organisers make bands sell tix.
it takes two hands to clap and u knw, sometimes for a noob band to start out, u need to fork out some effort, in this context its effort to sell tix, or in the worst case scenario, pay ur way thru.

at the end of the day, its still business.
no organiser/business man will pay to let some noob band play and not have a crowd to cover back the minimal capital.

i wld love to see u guys forking out ur own cash to help the scene and allow new bands to try out giggin. im interested to see how long u can sustain this.

on the other hand,
if u re good, people will PAY u to play.
but seriously, even if u suck, no one is forcing u to sign the contract to pay to play. u re doing it out of ur own free will.

CAVE, im glad to see u guys doing this, but for now, its all talk, i hope to see u guys prove something and help the scene out.

just dont fall out after the first few shows cos that would really mean all talk and no substance at all.
 
gabriel:

go ahead, u think that by not asking bands sell tix u are helping the scene. go ahead and prove urself.

I would like to clarify my stand here. The bands that play in our shows do sell tickets. Every decent band should have a fanbase and every band will want their fanbase to attend their shows! I play in a band myself, and I always ask for tickets to sell to my fanbase.

I only believe that forcing bands to sell large quantities of tickets will hurt the scene. It's also a rather unpleasant experience to be involved in.
 
Yes,i totally agree with CAVEvents on this. There is no harm selling some tickets to invite your fanbase who really wanna support you and pull along their other friends' parties and so on. But if you wanna impose your minimum or maximum law,then you better wear a thinking cap.As i mentioned before.A seed WILL grow into a tree.
First,you demand IC,next you make bands do the minimum thingy for you,what next? have them clean your toilets too?
 
CAVEvents + haricane

if not by force, what would be a comfortable number of tickets a band could volunteer to sell?

gig: 6 hours
bands: 8 bands
venue: 100 pax
 
I know it's not addressed to me, but I feel in the scenario posted above, 5 or 6 tickets per band would suffice, anymore is bonus. That leaves about half the ticketing responsibility to the organizer, which is fair.

I think what sparked this was probably the event that requires a band to sell 40 tickets.

Btw, there's a movement similar to this, going on in the graphic design/advertising industry, it's called NO!SPEC.
http://www.no-spec.com/
 
yes, agree with gabriel_the_smart.
Its free choice.
If the bands wanna sell tix to play, its their choice.

Whether we wanna support such gigs, it's also our free choice.
:D
 
everything is free choice. who can't agree with that? if you want to rip bands off, it's free choice too. if you want to get ripped off, it's free choice. if you want to do something about it, it's free choice, and if you want to say "it's free choice", it's free choice.

james:

if not by force, what would be a comfortable number of tickets a band could volunteer to sell?

gig: 6 hours
bands: 8 bands
venue: 100 pax

as a promoter i would expect each band to sell about 8 to 10 tickets- the opening one or two bands might sell maybe 5 tickets each, and the headlining band might sell say 15 to 20. This amounts to roughly ( 5x2 + 20 + 5 x 8 ) or about 65 to 75 tickets, leaving about 25 to 35 tickets to be sold to to general public by raising their awareness of the show and building their interest. I would expect promoters to have it in in their personal interests to sell about half the tickets, even if bands are able to sell more than that.

I believe that once a band can easily and consistently pull a crowd of over about 50 fans without difficulty, it should be paid. (Electrico, Ronin, WGB, AVA) It should be paid because it is now an asset, not a possible liability. Wherever Ronin or Electrico plays you can guarantee a crowd, and that makes sponsors happy and events successful.

-visa
 
yeah so maybe visa u should put ur words into action and maybe make CAVevents or maybe VISAevents a huge event management and maybe some day WHEN u make it big den bands like RONIN, WGB and more will play for u n therefore u wont have to continue with this thread...
 
caveevents: your stand in the post above contradicts your thread title. how come you're expecting them to sell a minimum of 8 to 10 tickets when the title says why you should NOT support gigs WITH MINIMUM SALES. are you telling people not to go support your events? :lol: :lol:
 
So this "free choice" thing sounds so clever right? you really suppose all this paying to play thing will not surface to a standard for bands in Singapore?

This issue works in both ways.Either you have a bunch of people whom you can draw to support you everytime you perform,or they will not even spend a $10 and waste their time to see you at all. They can enjoy themselves more in bugis junction or whatever junctions to shop,why must they pay to see you perform?
 
blahblah, please grow a brain.

visa isn't contradicting himself. visa is condemning gig organisers who FORCE bands to sell tickets by making them sign contracts. the success of a gig is a shared responsibility between the organiser and the band. bands should help to sell tickets but they should not be forced to do so.
 
how can a gig organizer FORCE bands to sell tickets?

im puzzled.seriously









ps..dun ask me to grow a brain. :roll:
 
er dude, some organisers offer a band a contract to sgn stipulating they must sell a certain number of tickets, etc. You can argue that bands have the choice not to sign on the dotted line if they feel they cant meet the quota.

But still, its kinda fustrating isnt it? I've ever had friends who couldn't finish selling the tickets, and had to come up with cash from their own pockets. This may be be technically the band's fault, but if you look at it from an ethical point of view, can you really fault bands for not being able to finish selling their tickets? Especially if they have just started out....
 
blahblah:

how come you're expecting them to sell a minimum of 8 to 10 tickets when the title says why you should NOT support gigs WITH MINIMUM SALES.

Because good bands have fans, plain and simple. Fans who will contribute to a good healthy audience and make up a good healthy show.

Please try and understand the motion put forward before you attack it =)

superslinky:

yeah so maybe visa u should put ur words into action and maybe make CAVevents or maybe VISAevents a huge event management and maybe some day WHEN u make it big den bands like RONIN, WGB and more will play for u n therefore u wont have to continue with this thread...

Excuse me? I have put my words into action- our inaugural event is on the 3rd of March. Maybe you should make it a point to read and think before you make such jabs.

Also, if you had read my first post, you'd see that we clearly state that we intend to form a healthy mid-level scene. I don't want to be involved with bands such as Ronin and WGB because they don't need our help- they have the ability to get events on their own.

Visa
CAVEvents
 
by the way, superslinky- on a personal note, do you have a problem with me? if you do, contact me and we can settle it personally.
 
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