why you shouldn't support gigs with minimum ticket sales.
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AgingYouth
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Bro wylduer bro, thanks man! Hopefully, it's goot news ar :lol:
CAVevents, if you have a 80 pax venue, you should never aim for only 80pax. Go for 120pax. There will always be a turnaround in the terms of audience capacity since it's a multi-band event.
Goot luck for your upcoming show!
CAVevents, if you have a 80 pax venue, you should never aim for only 80pax. Go for 120pax. There will always be a turnaround in the terms of audience capacity since it's a multi-band event.
Goot luck for your upcoming show!
AgingYouth
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My name spelled wrongly... but it's okay.
Have better crowd control. In case you are worried, just go for a smaller volume of printed tickets then.
Have better crowd control. In case you are worried, just go for a smaller volume of printed tickets then.
crazysound
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i am curious... CAVE do u aim to cover your cost or make a profit for your gigs?
AvonRellets
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haha make a profit hahaha he'll make more money working at Macdonalds for the same amount of time spent organising this. less antagonism too.
small gig like this, he'll be lucky if he can get enough to cover costs and maybe pay the bands abit and JUST maybe buy lunch for all the helpers. oh and pray no one breaks anything.
then again, you look like you just created this account to troll so :roll:
small gig like this, he'll be lucky if he can get enough to cover costs and maybe pay the bands abit and JUST maybe buy lunch for all the helpers. oh and pray no one breaks anything.
then again, you look like you just created this account to troll so :roll:
AvonRellets
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putting him down? read carefully le, what have i said that disparaged what he is doing? if anything, I'm all for him deciding to do this gig. what I said is from experienced. been there done that. read carefully la, i'm responding to the poster above who was obviously trolling. and fyi, I don't enjoy putting everyone down, only morons 
DIY, not have somebody do it for you...
An interesting line of thread, I'll throw in my two cents as a venue owner... when we first began doing our events here, maybe 50-80 people would come, and sales were very low (apparently the live music scene won't support venues that support the live music scene). After paying the bands, the lame promoters would come up and hand me like $40 and say that's all there was, and even if I did a headcount, half the people were let in for free.
Yeah, that's supporting the scene.
My whole life in the music scene, I have seen DIY events, both in California and in Europe... both deejay and live, where the artists sold tickets. In fact, I got a gig photographing Rage against the machine when Zach came up to sell me tickets, so you can't slag the scene supporting itself.... especially as some posters here have noted, if only the top 8 drawing bands get gigs, how does the scene grow? How do the new bands get exposure and experience? Answer is, they don't.
When we opened the gashaus a year ago, there was maybe one indie show or two at most in the month, and no more than a dozen or two bands. In that time, I've watched it grow, in depth and listening weekend on weekend, in talent. This doesn't happen if some bands come in and play for free to an empty room. And trust me, the "big" drawing bands (of the handful we've hired) only count their money and get their friends in for free... so bands selling tickets helps grow the scene by promoting it virally, he tells her who tells him, etc.
This ensures that there is an audience for the talent to sharpen their skills. Now when you slag the promoter that they's "scoring all this money" even before the show begins, remember that a day's rent is about $1,300, the bands earn a few hundred dollars and the promoter gets the rest for printing flyers, posters (and trust me printing ain't cheap), mobile fone bills, security, door girl, extra sound men for the 10 hour shows. So tell me again how the scene is getting ripped off? By having a growing audience pool with hundreds of new bands and fans?
Pull your head out and get some experience before you start slagging people who are really supporting the scene.
nuff said
jeffree
An interesting line of thread, I'll throw in my two cents as a venue owner... when we first began doing our events here, maybe 50-80 people would come, and sales were very low (apparently the live music scene won't support venues that support the live music scene). After paying the bands, the lame promoters would come up and hand me like $40 and say that's all there was, and even if I did a headcount, half the people were let in for free.
Yeah, that's supporting the scene.
My whole life in the music scene, I have seen DIY events, both in California and in Europe... both deejay and live, where the artists sold tickets. In fact, I got a gig photographing Rage against the machine when Zach came up to sell me tickets, so you can't slag the scene supporting itself.... especially as some posters here have noted, if only the top 8 drawing bands get gigs, how does the scene grow? How do the new bands get exposure and experience? Answer is, they don't.
When we opened the gashaus a year ago, there was maybe one indie show or two at most in the month, and no more than a dozen or two bands. In that time, I've watched it grow, in depth and listening weekend on weekend, in talent. This doesn't happen if some bands come in and play for free to an empty room. And trust me, the "big" drawing bands (of the handful we've hired) only count their money and get their friends in for free... so bands selling tickets helps grow the scene by promoting it virally, he tells her who tells him, etc.
This ensures that there is an audience for the talent to sharpen their skills. Now when you slag the promoter that they's "scoring all this money" even before the show begins, remember that a day's rent is about $1,300, the bands earn a few hundred dollars and the promoter gets the rest for printing flyers, posters (and trust me printing ain't cheap), mobile fone bills, security, door girl, extra sound men for the 10 hour shows. So tell me again how the scene is getting ripped off? By having a growing audience pool with hundreds of new bands and fans?
Pull your head out and get some experience before you start slagging people who are really supporting the scene.
nuff said
jeffree
mightymouse
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Agree with you Cave. this scene needs more proactive people like you, who wanna make a change for the better.
mightymouse
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yup, thats kinda true.......
bboy2388
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Avonrellets, you're really so clever. Can i be like you please? You're so smart and charming, and so magnanimous, and you're always so focused on the greater issue at hand rather than taking every opportunity to slip in a snide comment, which some people think no one will notice because they're so clever, and that their subtlety isn't the brick metaphor it probably actually is closer to. i
'm so glad that singapore's moving in a more mature direction. i really wonder why free speech is such an issue when there're wonderfully sensitive and eloquent individuals such as yourself populating our opinion channels. Thank you for being understanding, because elitism is the last thing our infant music industry needs, i'm so glad you're not one of the perpetrators of rampant snobbishness that is slowly eating away at the foundation of music - the love of each other.
I'm sure anyone who thinks of being a moron will think twice now that Avonrellets is around to purge the world of stupidity. Who cares about people with genuine intentions and who take action if their arguments are simple and sincere? Watch out, less than adequate people, Avonrellets is here to remind you about how we are not born equal, and how, instead of giving to those with less or sharing with those who need it, we should really just stand aside and feel good about ourselves by saying clever things, because that's just what the world needs now. More politicians, and less of the rest of us.
I really hate it when people type something so blatantly offensive, and then put a smiley. It really makes my blood boil.
Is that not incongruous?
'm so glad that singapore's moving in a more mature direction. i really wonder why free speech is such an issue when there're wonderfully sensitive and eloquent individuals such as yourself populating our opinion channels. Thank you for being understanding, because elitism is the last thing our infant music industry needs, i'm so glad you're not one of the perpetrators of rampant snobbishness that is slowly eating away at the foundation of music - the love of each other.
I'm sure anyone who thinks of being a moron will think twice now that Avonrellets is around to purge the world of stupidity. Who cares about people with genuine intentions and who take action if their arguments are simple and sincere? Watch out, less than adequate people, Avonrellets is here to remind you about how we are not born equal, and how, instead of giving to those with less or sharing with those who need it, we should really just stand aside and feel good about ourselves by saying clever things, because that's just what the world needs now. More politicians, and less of the rest of us.
I really hate it when people type something so blatantly offensive, and then put a smiley. It really makes my blood boil.
Is that not incongruous?
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