where to go for mods/setups

Well, all I got now is a reciept thats scribbled "4 X CTS" and a "$80"
The guitar was long gone, and I don't know why/what i need to ask
the shop owner.... lmao.

and no... from the very beginning its not about the shopdude being unhappy, its about the customer. And yes, I've avoided that place ever since.

And this is not flaming... Check out the $5 pick-up thread.
That one is flaming. I never insult anyone or force my views
or argue, I merely stated what happened.


Personally, IMHO I think you should just go down to the 'so called' shop and ask about it nicely, because I am sure whoever the owner of the shop would not be happy about the flaming soft gives.
 
Enough said, you pay for the service you are getting. If you bargain, the lesser service you will get. Come on guys, how many of you can honestly say you stepped in, asked for something, and never bargained? Be it repairs, guitars or accesories? You get what you pay for. And sometimes if you ask for something to be rushed, like having CTS pots replaced, within the short time span, there may not be enough time to change it as I am sure a shop like that would have many repairs to do. Maybe they just used contact cleaner to spray? At least it gets the job done and there won't be any problems.

It could also possibly be human error maybe? No ones perfect. I'm sure whoever works there would feel stress when customers walk in and out and they need to get their job done. I'm not naming people, I am just giving examples.

After all, why has he had such good business for the past 4 years there? It only goes to show that he provides quality work and good customer service.

So much about flaming. Heh.

Flame? What flame. I'm just making a statement here. If you don't like the service that you get, then don't go. I'm sure you'd have the brains to come to that conclusion.

When you mention outright cheating, I suggest that you check before you leave, or if you are unhappy about something, you should go directly back and ask for an explanation. Simple business strategies. If I'm not happy with something, I'll go back and ask for an explanation.
 
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As for pictures for evidence, my friend got his guitar re-done by KC 2 months back and he had to pay 200 extra for a complete refret for something that he paid god knows how much for in the first place. And the intonation was indeed checked by a tuner. Oh, and you're right. My friend likes his frets dressed really hard. Maybe that won't be a complain, but improper fret crowning and inaccurate intonation? I think thats abit overboard.

Maybe you'd like to actually be sure about what happened?

Funny... or funniest thing, why didn't your friend just go back to malcolm and "demand" his hard-crowned frets?

Again, I've never heard of Malcolm having done "improper fret crowning".
As for intonation, he intonates with a strobe.

So, best to get your information right ya?



Oh, I've the privilege of owning a guitar with hard-crowned-frets. It was such a joy to play. Felt like it had 3 yrs of wood shedding done on it!
 
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Maybe I forgot to state, but that is indeed what I heard from my friend and I was not able to see it, so lets just leave it as that. Okay, enough said about Malcolm, as I've seen his work personally and find it very commendable. I believe Relinquish had some work done on his guitar before and I've seen the work. As far as my friend's Fret Job, I shall have nothing more to say about that.

If you have the money to pay for a proper set up, then why not?
 
I've done setups over at Malcolm's place before. no complains for me but I must add that his way of doing things are different as compared to Kelvin. for better or worse, its really personal preference as I like both setups. however, you know Malcolm's pricing. if I feel really rich than I wouldnt mind having a setup by him. most of the time, I'm not that rich so yea, Kelvin does the job for me.

the thing about Kelvin is, guitar for sale can bargain but repairs cannot. that I totally agree cos I do help out at the store and I know how tough it is just to do a good job. some people want fast but no choice, have to do swee swee than I consider my setup alright. however after I do setup, Kelvin also have to die die double check for me. I do help out and I know Kelvin's expectations when it comes to repairs. he wouldnt even let me touch the soldering jobs.

I've tried different set ups by different people and 3 people i trust my guitars with are Kelvin, Beez and Malcolm. just so happens that I like to hang around the store, thats why I help out. maybe the only privilege is to have the choice of being super picky :).

as Daniel said, different people have different methods of approaching a guitar setup. see which is the most trustable source. with regards to pricing, I'm sure the customer has the choice to go with it or decline. no one put a knife at your throat right? however, if really not happy, just discuss with the shop owner. like that we are only looking at a one sided point of view right?
 
heheh there you have it folks, the best recommended so far..

I have had jobs done by KC, Kelvin, malcolm so far, so far all good leh! And mind you the guitars were pretty expensive to begin with. They each have their own "flavor" la, just like chicken rice stalls. And they all had the integrity which justified their prices in relation to the workmanship provided.

so the latin phrase of the day is "caveat emptor" or is it "caveat venditor"?

buy more become a regular, pay less and better service.Goodwill is priceless!
 
i find threads like this very interesting, they seem to always spark a tiff between fellow softers and moderators will soon step in. personally may i ask if we are allowed to discuss such topics?
 
i find threads like this very interesting, they seem to always spark a tiff between fellow softers and moderators will soon step in. personally may i ask if we are allowed to discuss such topics?

If we are not allowed to discuss this type of things, than whats the forum up for? Unless you are flaming races, goverment or country than maybe the authorities will step in.
 
haha ive read that in the newspaper about that unlucky guy.
oh well. its just that sometimes it seems that these discussion turn out to be heated arguments in the end
 
A lot of discussions here nowadays get heated up... Can't help but wonder if the unusually hot weather nowadays is making some of us more irritable. Its certainly made me more easily pissed, and I sincerely hope I haven't hurt anybody's feelings...

Back to the topic, I have no experiences with any guitar tech other than Mike of Standard Value, and its because I'm always very satisfied with his work, I'll keep going back to him for technical stuff, repairs, modding, etc. As for Beez and Malcolm (assuming you're talking about empty71 on G4c forums) I've heard nothing but good things about them, so I'd personally go to them if Mike happens to be unavailable.

So for me, I'd base it on majority vote. If a lot of people recommend a certain place, I'd certainly be willing to give it a shot. If its some hidden shop no one's heard off, or people have had bad experiences, I wouldn't even think about it.
 
heated argument been around for a while. Just that some werent familiar with the forums here or have not joined long enough to see the threads.

Most of the time, the bomb that set off the argument is when some people who rely on "i heard/i read a lot/i missed out/i misheard/i think/i thought" decided to mentioned something which can be a bit misleading or no experience to back up

and usually, we play geetar..
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yeah i noticed that alot actually with the time ive been around. well actually ive been using soft alot but only got myself to create an account recently. i usually just browse through and read all the threads.
 
Here's a public apology to Malcolm.

I sincerely apologise for the misunderstanding and the outright flaming of you in this thread, thus, an apology is necessary for the negative things I mentioned. I'm sorry for the trouble Malcolm.

I still stand my ground, if you got the money to pay for it, go ahead, if you don't, save up and get it done right.
 
Here's a public apology to Malcolm.

I sincerely apologise for the misunderstanding and the outright flaming of you in this thread, thus, an apology is necessary for the negative things I mentioned. I'm sorry for the trouble Malcolm.

I still stand my ground, if you got the money to pay for it, go ahead, if you don't, save up and get it done right.

Apology accepted. Thank you for your humility and understanding. Please also accept my apology for reaction to you.

I admit I’m not perfect but I’m very surprised to learn that there’re people who’re dissatisfied with my work on their instruments. I always tell my clients to let me know if they need their guitars tweaked after my working on them. There’re folks who take me up on my offer and I don’t charge for that.

As for my fret work, I spend the time and effort to level/prep the fret board as best as I can and seat them carefully so fret dressing is minimal. I always explain my philosophy in fretting to my clients before undertaking the job and I even turn away jobs if I feel the individual would not appreciate my fret work.

I personally dislike frets that’re dressed way too aggressively and try to take off minimal material off the frets.

Malcolm
 
Guys... I really don't get what the fuss is about. Buying guitars and the choice of doing mods is something that belongs as a buyer's perogative. No one forces a gun to your head and says whether or not you MUST do it.

No one forced me to either. Let me tell you guys my personal experience with 2 reputed guitar tech options mentioned in this thread.

1. Guitar Connection
Yes, I said it. This is the shop mentioned in the beginning. I've been going there quite a bit for my work. ALL my guitars have been touched by Kelvin there, and have never had problems.

When I first got to know Kelvin, I asked for a refret on a CIJ ST68. It took a while, but when I got it back, there was no problems with the frets, and they were level. No buzzing, and no dead spots. The frets were done exactly the way I wanted it to be, with minimal briefing from me to him. I was rather happy with the whole experience.

But Kelvin's guitar workbench isn't the cleanest in the country, and therefore the brand new Ash body with thin nitro paint was slightly blemished. (actually, it wasn't a pretty sight, and I was rather agitated) But what surprised me is that Kelvin merely told me to play the guitar for a while, and when I was already used to it more, bring it back, and he'll redo the finish for me FOC. And he apologised for the damage done even before I noticed it and asked for compensation.

Note: I barely knew him. This was probably the 2nd time I had ever been in his store (2nd hand guitars aren't really my thing). What he charged me was an ok price, which included a bone nut job and I went back there time after time till today, he still does most of the work for me...

He is a professional musician, and has given me valuable insights to the practical applications of certain specifications of guitars, which I'm glad to say, have truely been useful to me.

2. Malcolm Tan
What can I say? He's obviously got some skills. But I will never go back to him again. Why? Read on.

I asked for a replane and a refret from 7.25" to 9.5" on my 62 AVRI. He said he can do it. I told him, if necessary, please dress the frets because I'd like to have them even. He told me he doesn't believe in doing so. He said he preps the neck well enough that it's not necessary. Fine. I believed him. Throughout the process, he was professional, and courteous.

When I got the guitar back, I noticed that the work was clean, and the frets were indeed nicely done.

Then I began to play it.

The frets weren't as bevelled as I liked, and Malcolm did explain this to me before that he prefers to have more fret length so that the guitarist has more room to vibrato the 1st and last strings. But whenever I ran my hands up and down the neck, they felt very intrusive to me. Almost painful. Logical the idea may be, it certainly wasn't for my hands.

Then there were some dead spots (about 3 to 4 if I remember correctly) that Malcolm spent quite a bit of time touching up the frets (I dunno the term) one by one. Again, he stresses to me how important it is not to dress the frets completely because you lose fret life, and it's not good for many luthiers to do so.

Honestly, at this point, I was actually losing my patience. I did ask for a fret dress initially, but was told it wasn't necessary. I don't have the time to come down and test the guitar for every single dead spot and WAIT for each problem to be sorted out.

Eventually, I left with a not-so-favourable impression. But Malcolm did offer to tweak the guitar for me if I still had problems. But for what? the problems were obviously deeper than just buzzing and dead spots. It was me not being able to accept his "theories" on how a guitar should be built.

This guitar has been sold, and is no longer my problem. But the experience has been filed away in my brain for future reference.

For the price I paid for this job, it wasn't sky high, as I recall, but I think it was a bit higher than what I paid for in GC. Of course, a replaning is probably more work, but I'm not a luthier, so don't quote me. Worth it? I'm honestly not sure. But the GC experience to me was far more enjoyable than this one.

So why didn't I complain?

The key thing as to why I didn't complain to Malcolm much about this unhappiness was because I chose to partake in this deal. I agreed to try his services and philosophy. I just had problems accepting the outcome. But because it was my choice, I can't go blaming Malcolm for my unhappiness. He did what he claimed. He stuck to his guns, which I give him credit for. I just don't agree with it.

Because he's got his beliefs, I know that no matter what I try to ask for, I cannot bring myself to a compromise on these matters, and there's no point generating angst for a matter I chose to take part in. So I simply let it go.

I don't have to be a world class guitarist to know what I like. I am a paying customer which gives me every right to decide what I want to do with my money.

For those who have used Malcolm's work and liked it, then good for you, because I know these things are subjective. What we feel with our hands is something only we can feel, and others will always feel different.

So in the end, to me it's very simple. Do I like to go to somewhere to do something? Yes? Then just keep going there. No? Then don't. No point sitting here bitching about who's what and how and why.

I think we all have better things to do. No?
 
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My dear friend, well said.

If you got the money to do something then go for it. If you like then go, if you don't, obviously don't waste your time.

Malcolm, thanks for being understanding. Hope this clears the misunderstanding between us and the rest of the people whom I may have unknowingly offended.
 
Hi Whitestrat,

You forgot a couple of salient points.

Before I decide to undertake re-fretting your neck, I did try to talk you out of it.

We had an in-depth discussion on how I usually dress and bevel my frets and I did mention we’ll go with my “standard” style and we can tweak it to your preference.

I did dress and bevel your frets very lightly.

I don’t recall you informing me you felt the fret ends were intrusive when you tried the guitar.

I did mention that I’ll work with you till you’re 100% happy with your guitar and I didn’t imply or expect you to wait.

My turn around for fret work is about 2 days.

I did not impose my “theories” on you but merely shared them with you :)

Malcolm

Here're some pics of the subject guitar and fret work.

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yeah i noticed that alot actually with the time ive been around. well actually ive been using soft alot but only got myself to create an account recently. i usually just browse through and read all the threads.

So... why did you decide to create an account?
 
Before I decide to undertake re-fretting your neck, I did try to talk you out of it.

Talk me out of what? Refretting? or Replaning? You knew I had intended a refret from the beginning. I did not like vintage frets personally, so I'd want something bigger. Why would I change my mind about changing fretsize? So since I NEEDED a refret, why talk me out of it?:confused:

We had an in-depth discussion on how I usually dress and bevel my frets and I did mention we’ll go with my “standard” style and we can tweak it to your preference.

I think it slipped my memory. I don't recall at anytime that you were willing to tweak the fretjob to my preference. I seem to remember that you insisted that you had one way of doing frets, and that was it. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I certainly did not remember you telling me as mentioned above. What I definately remember was how you usually do the work. That's mainly what stuck in my mind.

I don’t recall you informing me you felt the fret ends were intrusive when you tried the guitar.

I'm sure I definately said something along the lines of "wow. These ends are rather sharp." Perhaps not loud or firm enough. But that's besides the point already. You had impressed on me that this was THE way you did your frets; this I took to mean that there was no room for compromise. Again, perhaps I misunderstood you.

I did mention that I’ll work with you till you’re 100% happy with your guitar and I didn’t imply or expect you to wait.

I think I need to stress that there's nothing seriously wrong with the way you do your jobs. It just doesn't agree with what I prefer. I had already found the job unsuitable to my tastes. Why should I bother to pursue it further? I sold the guitar very quickly after, as it was relatively unplayable to me. Again, I willingly took part in this experiment of mind, and found the results not to my taste. I'm not blaming you.

I expected to be able to pick up my guitar and have it problem free at the price I paid because this is what I'm used to getting from other sources. I certainly didn't expect to be disappointed.

Here're some pics of the subject guitar and fret work.
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The edges aren't obvious at this angle. It should be shown another way.

Again, I must stress that the neatness of your work was indeed impressive. But that's about all I can say about what I liked.
 
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