What Does Our Local Scene Need To Prosper?
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rottenramone
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how about sending all our brightest talents to taiwan, make a big hit and come back?
tim098
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I would disagree. i want to make it in terms of reputation, not really money. of course money is excellent
but like i said in a post earlier, it is definitely secondary to the feeling of being known as a good musician to me. im sure not everyone may agree but theres bound to be people who dont feel theyve "made it" without recognition.I think it's more than just playing in gigs... Bands can't work out just by playing gigs. Maybe labels should look more and invest more into the local scene.
I remembered buying this demo from a particular thrash metal band[shall not disclose who] and the bassist was telling me that they could not even break even but they just wanted to release the demo.
What a sad story.
I remembered buying this demo from a particular thrash metal band[shall not disclose who] and the bassist was telling me that they could not even break even but they just wanted to release the demo.
What a sad story.
skoobatank
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market too small. best band in the world couldnt make it here. no point investing in musicians if they wont bring back the moola $$$. market is too small and poor and therefore is no motivation for musicians to give all they have to try make it big. there is no big here. the lack of trust and belief that labels here have for non mainstream creativity is also a major obstacle we face. why should they spend $$$ to produce for hardcore or thrash groups when they know there is probably no chance they will ever make it big?? they dont. thats the problem. as singapore is so small, you can only imagine the minute number of professional producers that exist here in comparison to say the uk or usa. Let alone the extreme limited amount of labels that do exist here, nearly all of them are on tight budget and are so reluctant to take risks or try something different and special that could potentially strike the big money. but then again, even if there was a miracle and a thrash band was signed and a pro record released, the market here is just too small and too unwilling to divert from trends and the overwhelming western pop culture that pervades the musical horizon of the general singaporean.
Actually, SOFT is suppose to be quite popular among music people in Singapore right? But if you take a look at the Open Mic section, why is it that there are not many bands/musicians promoting their music there?
Do check out today's ST. Chris Toh wrote an article about why local musicians are building their career in Taiwan and USA.
* Chris, how come quoted the other forum and not SOFT?
Do check out today's ST. Chris Toh wrote an article about why local musicians are building their career in Taiwan and USA.
* Chris, how come quoted the other forum and not SOFT?
no disrespect to anybody out here
just gonna say wat i got in mind
might be wrong
so correct me if i'm wrong
thankyou
from what i've seen
singaporean are not yet exposed to song such as
e.g. screamo, hardcore, metalcore etc etc
only indie bands have make it big
e.g The Sallys, Plainsunsets, WGB, Electrico
and some have their music aired on radios
so in order for the non indies bands to rise
will have to look upon to sg listener
bands cannot grow if they only have a certain people
who only listen to a certain genre
u can rarely hear metal songs aired in the radio station
when i mean metal i mean
iron maiden, helloween etc etc
because the parents wont allowed it
if they heard it at the radio they lodge a complain
if metal cant be aired,
can the hardcore, screamo local bands be aired in the radio
like how the indie local bands do.
and so do our radio station play our local music regularly?
its not that we are lacking of local talents
there is alot
u go to gigs u see great bands there
they always say
"wanna make your local music notice
it gonna start from you"
but the question is
do singaporeans support local bands music?
can they adapt to songs they play other than indie?
we can do alot of gigs here and there
and get great bands to perform
and u will always see same old faces in the crowds
and the bands that usually make it big are the indie bands(no offence to the indie bands just stating some facts here)
so do the non indie bands change their way of playin so that people could except their music?
than its not music anymore
peope will just do it to follow the music trend
so why not be equal
music is still music
regardless of indie hardcore screamo metal
its still music
so why cant all of them get the same treatment
rather than being a one sided thing
i'm rather looking for an answer to some of my question
coz it irritates me
to see good non indie bands
having to survive on their own
and never get the publicity they want
like how indie bands get
and for how long non indie bans gonna be castaway
and i know for sure alot people are gonna say
non indie bands eg hardcore screamo metal
"wat type of song are they playin
all i hear is people screaming and noisy sound"
well that all i got to say
correct me if i'm wrong
thank you
just gonna say wat i got in mind
might be wrong
so correct me if i'm wrong
thankyou
from what i've seen
singaporean are not yet exposed to song such as
e.g. screamo, hardcore, metalcore etc etc
only indie bands have make it big
e.g The Sallys, Plainsunsets, WGB, Electrico
and some have their music aired on radios
so in order for the non indies bands to rise
will have to look upon to sg listener
bands cannot grow if they only have a certain people
who only listen to a certain genre
u can rarely hear metal songs aired in the radio station
when i mean metal i mean
iron maiden, helloween etc etc
because the parents wont allowed it
if they heard it at the radio they lodge a complain
if metal cant be aired,
can the hardcore, screamo local bands be aired in the radio
like how the indie local bands do.
and so do our radio station play our local music regularly?
its not that we are lacking of local talents
there is alot
u go to gigs u see great bands there
they always say
"wanna make your local music notice
it gonna start from you"
but the question is
do singaporeans support local bands music?
can they adapt to songs they play other than indie?
we can do alot of gigs here and there
and get great bands to perform
and u will always see same old faces in the crowds
and the bands that usually make it big are the indie bands(no offence to the indie bands just stating some facts here)
so do the non indie bands change their way of playin so that people could except their music?
than its not music anymore
peope will just do it to follow the music trend
so why not be equal
music is still music
regardless of indie hardcore screamo metal
its still music
so why cant all of them get the same treatment
rather than being a one sided thing
i'm rather looking for an answer to some of my question
coz it irritates me
to see good non indie bands
having to survive on their own
and never get the publicity they want
like how indie bands get
and for how long non indie bans gonna be castaway
and i know for sure alot people are gonna say
non indie bands eg hardcore screamo metal
"wat type of song are they playin
all i hear is people screaming and noisy sound"
well that all i got to say
correct me if i'm wrong
thank you
AgingYouth
New member
You just answered your own question. If 96% of the people think those music is noise, then the majority wins. If the remaining 4% of the listenership probably means 4,000 pax, would anyone alienate a potential reach of 96,000 pax? How are they going to answer to their advertisers? Every second on air is money.
Please dun use the US radio stations as case studies here. Their reach is probably 100 times more.
And one more thing, I thought all these heavy music: rock, punk, metal, hardcore, etc thrives on the idea of being an outcast. Then why the desperation and craving to be accepted and co-opted into the mainstream media?
The indies (ie. labels) like us are too broke for shit. Time and effort, we have. Money, no have.
The majors? They tried it before. Google The Padres (God bless 'em!). Never heard of them? Wonder why? Wanna hear how much money the major have lost?
Doing rock music in Singapore is very sad...
Gotch meh? Cannot remember reading that.
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just play what you love. If cannot make it, just play still. its what u like mang. Nobody can stop you. Its just that the chances of making a living out of that thing you love is very very close to ZERO. Can't do nothing about it man. Unless u plan on gassing em listeners. Make them scared and start listening to metal..hehehe. Cannot right? so live wit it. ITS LIFE!
pedialite
New member
Its up to them wether they wanna support anot mah, can't blame them, can't force them.
Even if everyone knows our band, I don't think people will buy the albums or support the shows, only the handful of local music scene supporters, always go the shows.
Currently in Singapore, you can't make a living la, even Pug Jelly and all the mandopop singers run overseas. Japan .. Taiwan .. and I think most of us have come to deal with that fact and gotten used to it.
But actually we do have enough audience at local shows what, like baybeats and lime sonic bang. The turnout pretty awesome. recognition isn't that hard to gain in Singapore either, just play a few gigs and more or less people will know who you are/what band you're from.. if you're into that kinda thing.
And radio is just a form of media to earn money and play what most people are comfortable with hearing/listening, if you really wanna listen to metal radio theres always internet radio.
But heres the thing, indie bands, metal bands whatever bands, no one is earning millions, no one is living like big rockstars, live in hilltop mansions driving fancy cars, just that their name more' famous' more 'out there' can play more/bigger gigs.
I don't know la.. alamak! Move overseas and play gigs/establish yourselves lor.. but you won't mah, cause you scared, you know your band isn't really that good, you have no idea what it actually is all about. so you won't go overseas to CHEONG! Many bands there also don't make it sia, and there are like 293480293480234 good unsigned bands.
Even if everyone knows our band, I don't think people will buy the albums or support the shows, only the handful of local music scene supporters, always go the shows.
Currently in Singapore, you can't make a living la, even Pug Jelly and all the mandopop singers run overseas. Japan .. Taiwan .. and I think most of us have come to deal with that fact and gotten used to it.
But actually we do have enough audience at local shows what, like baybeats and lime sonic bang. The turnout pretty awesome.
recognition isn't that hard to gain in Singapore either, just play a few gigs and more or less people will know who you are/what band you're from.. if you're into that kinda thing.And radio is just a form of media to earn money and play what most people are comfortable with hearing/listening, if you really wanna listen to metal radio theres always internet radio.
But heres the thing, indie bands, metal bands whatever bands, no one is earning millions, no one is living like big rockstars, live in hilltop mansions driving fancy cars, just that their name more' famous' more 'out there' can play more/bigger gigs.
I don't know la.. alamak! Move overseas and play gigs/establish yourselves lor.. but you won't mah, cause you scared, you know your band isn't really that good, you have no idea what it actually is all about. so you won't go overseas to CHEONG! Many bands there also don't make it sia, and there are like 293480293480234 good unsigned bands.
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chill la bro pedialite
dont get too stress
singapore is just to small for bigger talents
that all i think
I think Pedialite has got the main point in his thread tho.
The local scene is limited because the people in it don't have the belief in their talents to push it thro..
Maybe a few have.. The Bored Phucks/ The Suns made a go at it taking their music to Australia..
If we want ppl to sit up and pay attention to our music we gotta do some hard work.. New bands here don't even want to sell tickets for their shows... even they don't believe people will want to pay money to hear them...
And when we get a show what do we do to get ppl to come?? post an ad on soft and facebook message to our friends... then wonder why only a few friends turn up..
Its all about hard work... If you get a show each band member convince 10 people to come you got 40 or 50 people coming for your show... impress half of those people maybe they will bring some friends for your next show and you got 100 plus...
But noone willing to take these risks... if we don't do it first how can we expect some one else (govt, "labels" rich idiots, etc.) to take the risk for us.
Ends up we just have all these play it safe shows were you have 10 bands on the bill and everyone just gets tired and can't even remember the name of the band they just saw....
The local scene is limited because the people in it don't have the belief in their talents to push it thro..
Maybe a few have.. The Bored Phucks/ The Suns made a go at it taking their music to Australia..
If we want ppl to sit up and pay attention to our music we gotta do some hard work.. New bands here don't even want to sell tickets for their shows... even they don't believe people will want to pay money to hear them...
And when we get a show what do we do to get ppl to come?? post an ad on soft and facebook message to our friends... then wonder why only a few friends turn up..
Its all about hard work... If you get a show each band member convince 10 people to come you got 40 or 50 people coming for your show... impress half of those people maybe they will bring some friends for your next show and you got 100 plus...
But noone willing to take these risks... if we don't do it first how can we expect some one else (govt, "labels" rich idiots, etc.) to take the risk for us.
Ends up we just have all these play it safe shows were you have 10 bands on the bill and everyone just gets tired and can't even remember the name of the band they just saw....
