TO ALL THE NEW ORGANISERS INCLUDING EXTREME MUSIC N FROPLAY.

[Poolo]

Funny how everyone wants things to work their way.

Music is just another form of business if you look at it in a different perspective. So many, too many in fact, people(or kids) diss about the industry from all directions. Sound quality is crappy, attitude is bad, money issues, location issues.

Let's just be straight once and for all. You want exposure? Sure, pay. You don't want to get into nasty situations like this? Sure, don't play; no exposure.

Harsh it may sound, passion will not feed you. To you, music may be everything, but to others, it is just another form of business to feed their families. Just my 2 cents to knock some sense out of people.

PS: If you think this business is easy, do it yourself and offer FREE gigs, book the venue yourself, DIY. Don't just whine because some friends of yours got 'bullied', when we don't even know if that is the case. Get over it. Bottom line, don't play.

 

[biopromax]

The question is :

Where do the profits goes to?

Organizers are cheating on our money?

Tell me where do the money go?

 

[killtheklown]

i think this can never end unless we go to "The Arena" on chl 5..

 

[melvin]

LOL killtheklown!!

haha true. fight it all out at The Arena. got lots of intellectual kids to debate for u guys.

anyways, point of advice would be to read terms carefully before you participate in any gig.

 

[biopromax]

i think the tickets sales profits goes to the judges for The Arena.

Then die die The DGOS will win.

Then wanna see THE ARENA must sell tickets. at least 20. if not muz pay for the unsold tix.

 

[grafikpunk]

Profits will go to:

- Stage/Venue rental (Not Cheap, Gashaus is not cheapskate as assumed.)
- Door Girl Allowance
- Soundman/Gig Crew (Tips)
- Damaged equipment
- Last but not least, payment of bands.

Why aren't the organisers earning as much as it seems?

- People who get in discreetly w/o paying.
- Guestlists
- The large number of bands that could easily make up for 50% of the total crowd on an average turnout. (bands don't pay entry by the way thus we have approximately only 50% paying audience, not inclusive of the aforementioned points.)

Those are the general points. I'm not an organiser but I've learnt the ordeal they went through.

Don't be biased, consider the shoes of the organisers too.

 

[slutgarden]

it's not easy being an organiser.

it's not easy trying to make money

it's not easy to please people

it's not easy to welcome people to SEE your damn gig

it's not that easy to get a venue for your damn gig

it's not that easy to get a crowd for your damn gig

it's not that easy to tell the whole island that your band is performing on that damn gig

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i personally detest gashaus, but also it's not really that cheap rental. my buddies did organised a gig, they lost alot of money close to about 1k.

we did not post a thread here saying how the hell are we going to pay money. you just have to fork out less than a hundred $ and you whine like a kid..

get a life !..

you want people to pay you?. look at yourself man, are you even professional?. do you even consider yourself as a musician?. you want to get paid?. that's how it sounds like.

c'mon boy, those organisers are kind enough to let you show the people what you've got. you get paid .. those $2 comission/ticket isn't that bad right?. at least if you sold 4, you get $8 (most probably more than what you can expect from your school pocket money) . .

w/o those organisers, there will not be any gig, your band will not shine, nobody will notice your work, and you will just continue to be Unkown perhaps.

so give those organisers a break. if you are unhappy in a certain way, have the cheek to confront them. you see, it is at your loss and your guilt that you have to post this here.

you typed in CAPS and make it seem you are RIGHT.


funny how you seem to be at the losing end now.

 

[yellowStrat]

wooit...

u r lucky to be paying 12 bucks over tix...

i had to pay 16 bucks...

but still it was a good experienc and my "16 bucks" friends told me it was worth of the money.. except for the sound system...

 

[saito]

Just for the nice guy who "detests" gashaus: We recently saved the Meza Virs show that got cancelled at Vintage (due to vintage being shut down by the police due to a fight) at our place pretty much rent-free.

And I agree about our sound system. But remember that it has been damaged by people playing over levels and idiots spilling drinks on the speakers multiple times. We are about to renovate (AGAIN) so the system is due for an upgrade

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just to inform everyone, posting on an internet forum is going to get you nowhere with this argument. I've put together a proper public forum involving all "Gig-Organisers" (Remember guys, the proper professional term is 'Promoter'). We actually got interesting feedback from representatives of Froplay for starters about the financial reality as well as the cultural climate of the scene.

The next one is due in a couple of weeks once I get the launch of Heart of Darkness out of the way

 

[superprog]

i think Gashaus has got got bad acoustics...no fault of the owners/management though........ one cannot control every damn element unless we are talkin abt Zouk-style financial reserves eh?

and too many of these young bandboys are morons who dun respect nor understand equipment and end up fucking it up.........

 

[koyuki]

Sigh... guess ppl in SG only like to complain without thinking, or which in this case its called bitching / whining. You sign a contract, u abide by it, u dont abide by it, u pay the penalty by LAW if they wanna sue u. No matter how much u bitch and whine, it aint gonna get u out of bars or fines. Trying to get sympathy from people, i think you're just pathetic.

Organizing a Gig is just like a day job for us organizers, Usually the minimum amount of tix u bands need to sell are all accounted to pay for the venue, rentals, advertising stuffs (posters, flyers, etc) and pay for the organizing committee. These people need to eat goddamnit, so they can continue doing gigs for you! Do u even know how high an organizer's hp bill can hit up to? Wat about transport fees? Equipment is damaged who is liable for it? All these hidden cost are not even calculated. Its not like they earn that kinda money like every month but im sure they did their best to run all over singapore laising with bands, venues etc etc, while wat do bands do other than slack at home or jamming, waiting for gig day to come? So i dont see why bands can't be asked to sell tix for gigs. We are not doin a charity event, its a job for us, a ricebowl which we choose to do it. If you think that we are not doin our job properly, go quit your day job or skool and try to be a gig/event organizer as your job and get flamed by mindless whining people, then you will get what i mean..

Love
Koyuki
Organizer of Local J-Codes

 

[gsonique]

the gig idea is like a business venture ...needs a sellable concept !!

The bands are products that will enhance your concept ......now think .... just getting a bunch of bands together with colorfull flyers aint gonna sell !!


Ask yourself why you would pay for the show ....
a> bands ?? or b> the trip ??

If ur answer is 'a' ...i would advice you to save the trouble ... 8)


We used to put out teasers couple of months before a serial gig launch just to hype up the concept .....we were sold -out !!

 

[Destructos]

[quote = biopromax]
The question is :

Where do the profits goes to?

Organizers are cheating on our money?

Tell me where do the money go?
[/quote]
NOBODY's cheating nobody's money.
Howsabout...
YOU come up with all the equips (guitar amps, PA system, drums and all micing) and say you'll bear all liability for your own equips.
Then you'll end up paying for just using the venue.
The rest isn't profit, but rather maintainence budget for your equipment.

And bringing door tix down below $20 is really cutting it for all that.

[quote = superprog]
i think Gashaus has got got bad acoustics...no fault of the owners/management though........ one cannot control every damn element unless we are talkin abt Zouk-style financial reserves eh?

and too many of these young bandboys are morons who dun respect nor understand equipment and end up loving it up.........
[/quote]
Yap... breaking it.
And wait till the organisers seriously hold them liable... this forum will see a whole new slew of complaints.
Wonderful, just splendid.

 

[AgingYouth]

Hurhurhur, bro gsonique bro, I rikes your mentality... We is on the same wavelength here.

biopromax, you are asking for accountability which you can't be given. In the sense, no businesses in the world will ever give full accountability for their actions. Even the listed ones. Does anyone ask what the hell does MicroSoft do with all the gazillions of dollars they make? And with the public and the financially-challenged sick folks as stakeholders, NKF still went out and did their shit.

 

[wyldeboon]

gsonique! organise a gig leh... show it how's done!!!

 

[tbone]

if you dont wanna sell tickets then dont play. simple as that.

rather than bitching about this shit why dont you pool all the money that you would get from selling tickets to your friends and make your own stupid gig...

just stop making useless threads where the same people use the same stupid arguement.

 

[AgingYouth]

Either that or take up knitting, I guess?

 

[tbone]

yea that or start practicing more and become tight... write some decent songs, and quite the fashoncore bullshit then promoters will ask them to play gigs rather then covering f***ing lamb of god, atreyu and saosin.

 

[sub_20]

!!

I wonder where has the thread starter gone to.

 

[weminchickenchan]

Talk about young morons,there's definitely some genres which have more young punks who dont know how to control instruments,they should go and learn from some experts. Why not the organisers disallow certain music genres? than to complain about cost of amps etc..stop bitching :lol: