The Ernie Ball Music Man Thread

[penta-tonic]

oh im not passing judgement. cos a comparison of sorts was made and i just wanted to know what aspects of ebmm were superior for the price as stated. cos yeah they do have good trem blocks and quartersawn maple and pretty good specs. but down to stuff like radius or type of materials used or nut width or fret size or pickup choices and body material it cannot be compared.

im not putting down ebmm. ive tried many and have been impressed, just that a comparison does not do it justice. its like comparing bmw and pagani zonda. anyway sorry for butting in.

 

[Whitestrat]

cos a comparison of sorts was made and i just wanted to know what aspects of ebmm were superior for the price as stated. cos yeah they do have good trem blocks and quartersawn maple and pretty good specs. but down to stuff like radius or type of materials used or nut width or fret size or pickup choices and body material it cannot be compared.

No, I agree. Fret size, pickup choices and nut width are obviously not specs to be considered, since those are subjective to the player's preferences. It's more of the nature of the nut, the blocks and the other features at a price CHEAPER than those mentioned (like the Suhrs) that makes the EBMMs a logical choice.

Of course, that's still doesn't mean it's for everyone. It's still up to the buyer to decide if this is what he wants still. If he still wants to buy something else, it's his decision, and isn't a case of wrong or right.

But BMW and a Pagani? erm... I don't think so...

 

[joshuak]

Heh... I really doubt I did. But nevertheless, perhaps we got off on a wrong foot. Lets start over ya?:mrgreen:

You are like a self-appointed sheriff who walks into a cowboy town and start firing your gun at the wrong guy. And after the big boo boo, you try to walk off in a dignified manner.

I am just very thankful your aim with the gun is most of the time way off target. :lol:

For this matter, (keeping on the very same topic) I find the EBMM Silo to be extremely well suited. But your pickups must be carefully selected. I'd actually rely on a HSS guitar myself, and that's why I'm waiting for my Silo Spec LE08 from Sinamex to arrive. Currently, I just use any of my EBMMs. (2 Silos and one JP6). Any one of them is good enough to play most songs. I do metal/pop/rock/ska/canto/indon covers. And I've never found any of my EBMMs lacking... Though this is more of a model outline than brand issue...

Yep, a HSS guitar is very versatile. On my list... Maybe with a split coil for the bridge humbucker. Thanks!

Bro, an Anderson Drop Top with all the mini swiching options may end your quest. Seriously.

If not, a standard Morse (if u ask me for a EBMM for this) may do the job just fine. If you dont mind having no body contour to accomodate your arm..

The Morse axe I saw before... erm... kinda makes the guitar look monstrous after packing in so many pups. :mrgreen:

I will definitely look at the Anderson Drop Top more closely.

Thanks for advice!

 

[Ripper]

im not putting down ebmm. ive tried many and have been impressed, just that a comparison does not do it justice. its like comparing bmw and pagani zonda. anyway sorry for butting in.

Hey penta, wanna shed some light which EBMMs u have tried?

 

[Whitestrat]

You are like a self-appointed sheriff who walks into a cowboy town and start firing your gun at the wrong guy. And after the big boo boo, you try to walk off in a dignified manner.

I am just very thankful your aim with the gun is most of the time way off target. :lol:

Ah... a mild attempt to try your luck at saving your backside... You still want to go at this? Fine.

Everyone's having a nice time talking about EBMM guitars in an EBMM thread, and YOU come in, talking about:

"With that same amount of money, you could buy 5 - 10 reasonably good workhorse guitars."

This was a totally UNCALLED for remark. Nevermind what intentions you had, it still gives the impression that you feel that EBMMs are

A. Not "good enough workhorse guitars", and probabbly are an excess.
B. Might as well spend that money on a "good workhorse".

So Ripper calls you out nicely (ok, granted. Jimmy has the patience of an doorknob... He's being nice.) and asks you about what you think is a good workhorse and you say:

For example, MIJ Fender Strats or MIK Ibanez that cost between $500 to $1000? It must be able to produce good sound, have good intonation and durable enough to last for years.

By this it's very safe to say that you don't equate a good guitar by $$$ value, and rather, by specs, and you think that an EBMM is of the same category as these.

Then you still proceed to tell us that you think that EBMMs are too expensive by saying:

Ooi.. bro. I was talking about Ernie Ball guitars in general. Just walk in to Sinamex and see the $5-6k+ EB guitars. Of course there are the more affordable EBs.

This is what I mean by NOT knowing what you're talking about, yet attempting to pass judgement. You refer to the BFRs so called "in general" which are the top of the line, and aren't exactly the workhorse group of the EBMMs. Furthermore, Sinamex pricings are grossly inflated. Most of us here KNOW that you can buy them cheaper from overseas, or simply through Ripper. And we don't use Sinamex prices as the benchmark. We use the prices WE KNOW. And you still claim you know what you're talking about?

I like my balls. We who one balls all love them. When we're talking passionately about our balls, we like to be left talking. If someone comes with a REAL question like Vickomaniac, then we're more than happy to answer any queries.

But BASELESS observations like YOURS are most certainly not welcome here, and will be answered with FACTS. Not suppositions. I posted facts about WHY EBMM guitars are on par with a Suhr and more superior to a PRS for that price. And you attack ME?

Then I answer you with these facts, and you back off, by saying I misread you. Fine. I doubt I did, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt by backing off. And you come back to me saying I act like a Sherriff?

Well, for your information, I do. I have every right to do so simply because you are stepping on my toes about something I feel very passionate about with baseless points. I'm defending my favourite brand. Can you say the same about yourself? My aim was very accurate. You just don't know where you're bleeding from.

If you had logic, I'd concede. But you DON'T. Not when you have to cover your weak arguments by resorting to name calling.

If you don't like EBMMs or don't have the money yet to buy one, then that's fine. Or if you still like your Suhrs or PRSs or Tylers or Tom Andersons, then all the better. That's your perogative. Just don't come into another brand thread and go on talking about stupid things like you're doing...

If defending what I like gets me called names, then call away. I stand guilty.

 

[leecs]

Are you working in a lawyer firm?????

Well, BFR is certainly up there on par with Suhr, Fender Custom Shop, etc...In terms of 'feel' & tone.

 

[joshuak]

I repeat:-

Whitestrat, I believe you read too much between the lines and so misunderstood most of what I said.

As far as I am concerned, I don't have an issue with you about guitars.

I believe you do owe me an apology. *SIGH*
But I have nothing against you. Neither am I angry with you.

And for the sake of everybody's peace, I am not going to talk to you anymore.

 

[Ripper]

Peace man..

 

[guitarsan]

Aiyoh, the whole thing seems more like a religious argument. Ever wonder why people say certain brands have a cult following?


Oh yes.....EBMM or not, we still dig Jimi, donch we?

 

[NanoShred]

Those mini replica pedals look damn cute! The univibe looks really detailed. Nice stuff.

But i agree that this is an EBMM thread and positive things and sharing has been going on in this thread between EBMM lovers. Lets not turn it into a negative one.

I have owned two EBMM guitars before and tried various Axis, Silos, Petrucci models. They are all great in their own ways and EBMM quality is as good as anything out there. EBMM has a very cool sound that is unique to them.

Just like any other boutique super strat maker. I have also owned an Anderson and now own a Suhr. They each too have their own sound and tones. Whether the price to "worth-it" ratio is worth it or not, its entirely up to the buyer to decide.

 

[Whitestrat]

Oh yes.....EBMM or not, we still dig Jimi, donch we?

Of course! And honestly, Fender or not, I still believe that without him, we won't be playing like we do today...

 

[Whitestrat]

I repeat:-


As far as I am concerned, I don't have an issue with you about guitars.

I believe you do owe me an apology. *SIGH*
But I have nothing against you. Neither am I angry with you.

And for the sake of everybody's peace, I am not going to talk to you anymore.

No I don't.

...and I still get the last word in. So there!:twisted:

 

[Whitestrat]

Are you working in a lawyer firm?????

Me? Nah... I'm just a glorified salesman...:mrgreen:

 

[Ripper]

When people talk about EBMM, I think they draw their impression from the very few inventories available here. Worst, some thought EBMMs are those really old stock found in Swee Lee.. And I firmly believe no one here ever seen a Albert Lee.

One day - one day I will let any curious brothers out there have a look at the items I have, then it will clarify all these myth, let them feel the silky unfinished neck, let them see those unbelieveable finish, let them experience those amazing tone... One day.

 

[Whitestrat]

When people talk about EBMM, I think they draw their impression from the very few inventories available here. Worst, some thought EBMMs are those really old stock found in Swee Lee.. And I firmly believe no one here ever seen a Albert Lee.

One day - one day I will let any curious brothers out there have a look at the items I have, then it will clarify all these myth, let them feel the silky unfinished neck, let them see those unbelieveable finish, let them experience those amazing tone... One day.

You know, I've thought of setting up an EBMM boutique here before... Still thinking about it. I'm sure we can do a better job than the local dealer on building the brand.

But the business model must seriously study... Otherwise sure die...:mrgreen:

 

[Plastic]

I really like the Silhouette Special, still haven't found any to test yet. :???:

 

[penta-tonic]

Hey penta, wanna shed some light which EBMMs u have tried?

tried 2 petrucci models, one with the piezo and one without. steve morse model. 2 lukes, one an amazing desert gold model with piezo and one a red without. silo special. silo. also tried the axis sport back at swee lee. also tried the stingray 5 (my bro owned one) and stingray, one of them fretless which was in dargie delight at sinamex.

just wondering why is there so much angst in this thread. i know this is an ebmm thread and everyone has his/her right to whatever guitars he/she prefers. joshuak may have been a lil thick to come in here and make comments not too savoury to the ebmm fanboys, but then whitestrat i know u adore ebmms to the core too but that isnt any reason to be pushing your opinion to everyone. you must know that everyone has a different preference and that should be respected.

after so many years, this forum is still having such issues. its a sad sight to see how this passion is degraded and channeled into the wrong kind of output.

 

[Whitestrat]

but then whitestrat i know u adore ebmms to the core too but that isnt any reason to be pushing your opinion to everyone.

Here's where I see the problem. I agree, I shouldn't be pushing EBMMs down anyone's throat indiscriminately. But then again, am I? Where are we? If this were any other thread, I'd definately keep quiet. You don't see me doing this in the Fender thread or the other brand threads, do you?

Even in the threads compaing PRS vs LPs vs EBMMs, I still stated that those were very different guitars, and they shouldn't be compared side by side, unless the original thread starter is only asking for personal preferences.

You asked about comparing specs earlier, and honestly, I took that as an honest, serious question. So I simply answered. I'm sorry if that reply came of irritated, but I had just posted a long post highlighting the points of what you had asked, and it seems you missed them.

To come and ask questions is one thing. To come and say: "might as well buy an MIK Ibanez in place of an EBMM" in the face of an EBMM lover is an insult and a disregard to the other person's freedom of choice.

after so many years, this forum is still having such issues. its a sad sight to see how this passion is degraded and channeled into the wrong kind of output.

Forums have issues. EVERY forum has it's fair share. But it's stil a forum, which is a place for discussion and debate. Things in this particular thread were going extremely well until someone comes in to tell others he knows better when it's evidently clear he doesn't, and still has the nerve to ask for an apology.

you must know that everyone has a different preference and that should be respected.

Of course. and I stand by my own and everyone else's preferences as a right of birth as a free man/woman. But I wasn't questioning preferences. I was questioning FACTS.

However, this becomes the easy way of settling things which actually still leaves much unsettled. Someone very wise once said: "You have every right to extend your fist to where my nose begins, but I have every right not to have my nose bloodied."

Let me ask you this. Would you like it if someone came to your place of rest and kicked your bed just because he thought it's his right? And then claims freedom of action? I'm sorry, but in Singapore (and because this site is registered under a local domain name, it is still subjected to local law), there is no such thing as total freedom of speech.

We have a serious problem in this forum, and it's never really been said out loud. This claiming of personal opinion is always used as a defence shield by almost everyone. It almost gives the user invulnerability. Whatever happenned to taking responsibility for what you say and do? If you say something wrong, someone will eventually take you to task for it.

That's exactly just what I did with JoshuaK. He was given many chances to explain himself and defend his statement of choosing an MIJ Fender or a MIK Ibanez over an EBMM. Had he done so, the points to be addressed would simply have been about the guitars. But no, he goes on and claims that I misread him, without explaining why he thinks so. Is that the right thing to do? You tell me man...

 

[Whitestrat]

I really like the Silhouette Special, still haven't found any to test yet. :???:

When mine comes, I can let you try... If you want... But lemme get MY hands on it first...

 

[penta-tonic]

well then i see this problem as well, that the cycle never stops when each keeps lunging for each others throats. if thats what joshuak thinks then that is his story for another day. what im trying to say is let your passion be channeled in a more positive light. what say you?