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stars said:
the local pedals are custom made ?

hmmm... depends on how you define custom made.

WMUM OD pedal is an ongoing small scale production pedal which is totally build by hand, right down to the PCB.
Some of the old "SludgeFx" and "AE2FX" were custom one off pedals that I've build but I doubt if I can find any of the owners to loan it to me. Time is too short and I've gotta move on to newer things.

Mangojuice is a limited production pedal and made with plenty of love by Goosonique.

MrMisse and The Om Laboratories have come out with an effects truebypass/feedback loop that features a hand painted job.

Custom or not I'm not really sure but why the question? :wink:
 
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what the big deal about PCB being "handmade" in an pedal?

why dont they figure out handwire "point to point" link?

a staff from WMUM used to sell mi a distiortion pedal at a gig in espalande for 200+???!!!!

for christ sake, for that price i could get an import brand( with consideration that i got a higher seller value in future).. don you think so?


to be frank, why don you guy tried to Dl schematic from wedsite and DIY during your free time...
 
well...a handmade pedal, MAY have a higher resale value in the future. Never write them off. Check out earlier version of PRSs, handmade right down to the detailed, and its more expensive than most guitars out there. Heck, even the machine made ones are now called 'higher' class guitars.

and yeah...come join the enthusiasts DIY-ers... =)
 
i've started building pedals about 3-4 years ago, but have since stopped for about 1 year. In total, i think i've "built" about 10 odd boxes.

I say "built" because I *just* follow a schematic, either on a perf/veroboard or on a premade (some by myself) pcb. Along the way I try to under stand the principles of operation of the electronics (which is most probably the hardest part to understand !). (I have not designed a stompbox from scratch all these while, although i have always wanted to design a ultimate modulator pedal, say polychorus meets memory man meets TZF, by putting together different pieces of the schematics together...)

Soon I realized that how much of the stuff that I've seen are just marketing hype. So called carbon film resistors / silver mica "tone" capacitors/ JRC4558 opamps or even 1% resistors, don't "sound" different to me.

Anyway, what I mean to say is that, DIY-ing will most probably expose you to much technical knowledge about the electronics involved, and after which, you can make an informed choice about your sonic pursuits. For me, its simple: If i can't hear the difference, Its not worth it.

Building a pedal also takes so much time, that I calculated, if all the parts add up (including a 3pdt stompswitch for truebypass + led switching and a aluminium diecast box) to about $50, and lets say one charges $10 bucks an hour for the labour cost, the cost price of the pedal will already sky rocket because just to sand/drill/paint/label/finish a box will take a couple of hours, and soldering on a perfboard will take another few hours (pcb will take less time, but well unless u'r mass producing pcbs, its hardly worth the effort to etch a board). Add time taken debugging the pedal, and you're easily in the 10+hr region, resulting in a cost price of say $150+ bucks.

And this is considering a $10buck per hour labour cost.

Of course in reality, it can hardly be called "labour" if one enjoys the work.

I've stopped building pedals for about 1 year now, cause of time constraints and all. Another reason is that the rise of the "dark side" of effects, the digital multi-effects. Especially bargain buys like behringer make me wonder why am I still bothering with analogue effects.

I'll most probably be slaughtered by most pursist when i say this, but digital effects is the future in my opinion. Sad to say the international digital diy stompbox hasn't taken off yet (at least as far as i know !) and I'm at a lost as how to start all by myself (an Electrical Engineer would be in a better position to do such Digital Signal Processing). Imagine changing the charactor of a chorus or reverb just by changing a few lines of code, certainly beats breadboarding an analogue circuit !

And so, I would recommend you folks that are interested to learn about how the sound is transformed by things like transistors/diodes/capacitors and all to pick up your soldering iron, and start diying. Be prepared to give it alot of time though ! You'll learn not only these, but also how "not-worth-it" some of the pedals on are market are ! (of course you'll also be able to spot great ones !)

[note: lets not turn this into a digital vs analogue war ! but one exploring the nature of diy pedals, the cost/effort put into it, and what can be gained from it]

Han
 
Han - nice discussion about pedal building. gives everyone a good insight to the process.

just have a little to add... i think digital is the way to go - for chorus, flanger, delay and reverb. But for distortion and compressors etc, i would beg to differ, since not all guitarists are looking to nail *that* marshall or fender or boogie tone. We all want to be unique in some ways... imo digital effects do have some distinct digital flavour to them that makes guitarists sound generic sometimes.

my 2 cents. :wink:
 
whatever sounds good to your ears matters more than whether it's digital or analogue.. it's how you like it to be..

anyway, thanks to all those who came down to TAGS.. we'll gotten quite a few constructive comments and will try and improve for any future events.. cheers!
 
audioslave said:
what the big deal about PCB being "handmade" in an pedal?.

yes I totally agree with you. wots the big deal! :twisted:

Everything has gotta be made by "someone" and that "someone" needs to get paid and pay the bills! Lets all start working for free... I do love that concept! :wink:

I totally agree with you to do DL all the schematics from the web and go build em pedals! Do it! Do it! I urge you all to.

Oh just a word of advise for the potential pedal builders.... Don't go finding parts at ANG MO KIO. Please please please... I beg you. :lol:

btw, was that dude from WMUM wearing glasses and a bit on the chubby side? 8)
 
edder said:
btw, was that dude from WMUM wearing glasses and a bit on the chubby side? 8)

i'd say he's cute to the core.. he's basically erhm... cute core.. like punk core emo core metal core bo cheng kor etc.. i just wanna squuuueeeeze his chubby cheeks..

to audioslave fan.. local was never inferior to foreign stuff.. it's again how you perceive and be influenced by the opposite.. and RATM rawks my bollocks much harder and wet more of my pants.. just my small little tiny weeny opinion..

think global go local.. 8)
 
suodrops said:
I'll most probably be slaughtered by most pursist when i say this, but digital effects is the future in my opinion.

Hi Han,

You're right to say that digital is the future. Look at all the Line6 pedals. I've been floored over and over by their delay and modulation pedals. That said, their distortions still leaves me a bit cold.

For me, I'll say that delays, modulations, pitch bending, tap tempo and such belongs to the realm of digital. Analogue will not be cost effective enough for such applications but there's also a market for it. There're always fans of analogue stuff.

Analogue in my humble opinion rules for distortions, overdrives, fuzz and other wacky precircuit bend pedals.

Both has got it applications and I'll vote for digital controlled analogue circuits. They're already out there but is way beyond my capabilities.

Cheers,

Edwin
 
suodrops said:
Soon I realized that how much of the stuff that I've seen are just marketing hype. So called carbon film resistors / silver mica "tone" capacitors/ JRC4558 opamps or even 1% resistors, don't "sound" different to me.

Han

That's a little known secret which most boutique makers dread the rest of the playing world finding out.

Haha........ the same might apply to boutique tube amps too. I have seen a few premium boutique handmade tubeys, with human errors and problems not found in production-scale models, namely design flaws.

On effect pedals, my personal opinion is that BOSS single pedals are still the king of all effects (in terms of overall circuit design, chassis construction, usefulness and the sheer highest number sold in the world).

On Modding, as I have tried a few. Yes there is 'some little' potential, but only on simpler circuits involving the pre-amp & drive stage in a pedal only. It's done so as to tailor to the kind of 'tone' you want only. Does not mean that the original pedal tone sucks (namely DS1), the original pedal still produces it's own sound which in it's own class shine too.
 
Things like delay, BOSS already nailed it in the 80's using Digital technology. That's why you can only find improvement in modern digital Mefx on this particular fx.

Why does digital give you better result for delay?? Because if you are using analog devices, it's almost as costly, using BBD (Bucket Brigade Devices) IC. With significant signal degration, due to the fact it has to go thru an intense amount of analoge circuit to achieve the delay effect.

Where as for digital, it more a sample and hold principle, so the output is as good as the sampled A/D to D/A singal (ie, much less component stages).

Purist will spend tons of money to buy tape echo units for that special 'warm' delayed sound. Like we say, the quest for the holy grail continues.
 
Actually using BBDs is actually some form of "analogue irony" or should i say much like an oxymoron, because although they are "analog", they are used much like in a "digital" manner, with a clock pulse to adjust the how fast the delayed signal travels through. much like the sampling frequency found in A2D convertors, cept that in this case, the voltages passing through the brigade of capacitors are not discrete unlike in the digital case.

BBDs delays actually have quite a lousy bandwidth of sound, i remember reading in the building specs of the PT-80 delay (some where on general guitar gadgets page) that a BBD would have say about 10kHz bandwidth. A person can hear from 20hz to 20khz (in theory), and so alof of the high end is actually lost in the BBD, resulting in the "analogue warmth". The PT-80 project simulates the frequency response of a typical BBD delay, and I must say it sounds just as "warm" to me.

I must agree that digital distortion sounds bad though, at least those Zoom and Behringer ones i've tried.

Han
 
It's quite true about pedal making. There are alot of pedal makers out there but few actually successfully turn it into a business. The raw cost is really high. There is always the supply vs demand factor as well. But it would be nice to have some local bootique pedal makers. I'm comfortable of paying for a well made local product, preferably with excellent customer service.

:D
 
The raw cost is really high. There is always the supply vs demand factor as well. But it would be nice to have some local bootique pedal makers.

raw cost...i think...if you are really into pedal building, and if there's a demand for it, the price at the production stage will be cheap. Like they say for the AIDS drugs in Africa debate, yes, the pills cost 40 cents to make. but the first one cost us(the firms) 92 million dollars.

that's basically why the cost of certain pedals are so high. Not only due to the man hours put in, but also the R&D, whose costs will run up the mill in order to get the best sound available.

as for D-i-Y -ing, why not start a club for DIY-ers among SOFT as well...we can share tips and everything then! I wanted to start a thread/revive some of the older threads, but if there isn't people who're really into it, then i'd rather not waste bandwith on Soft...how?
 
Ani1 here willing to help me on how to post video taken during the TAGS?
How can I uploads so that I can share with all the softie members.....? Its in avi format.


Cheers


Ady
 
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