seventheaven

[Ized]

That explains it....i recall shredcow having a similar problem to yours, he uses the Gries too...single ended amps like those generally don take the 7th too well... I used the seventh with my blackheart little giant head....its single ended too like the gries. Dint like it too much either. Try it with an amp with at least 2 output tubes and hear the difference....

If im not wrong, goose has a mod for your Gries to make it more seventheaven friendly. He offered that for my Blackheart too but i declined cos i wanna get a better amp....

 

[Pedal-itis]

did someone say jazz chorus??? yes..... and with stunning results!!

 

[ShredCow]

but my amp is still a small gries 5 set clean....pretty loud though....i want to try this through a high headroom amp sometime....

Dude,
the gries has a ton of headroom.

I end up maxing the gain and wacking away at the strings in order to get it to break up a little.




Actually, the original "issue" with the Gries was due to a bright cap installed. It was made switchable.

The 7th on the Gries alone, sounds thunderous and huge. Pretty good stuff. Goose and I enjoy a similar kind of rhythm vibe - we both enjoy "loose" low end, and personally, I really enjoy setting the amp itself to have a healthy low end. That's why the TS/SD-1 would be a nice kick in the nuts for the 7th, if one likes tight pants.

 

[bluepowder]

Dude,
the gries has a ton of headroom.

I end up maxing the gain and wacking away at the strings in order to get it to break up a little.




Actually, the original "issue" with the Gries was due to a bright cap installed. It was made switchable.

The 7th on the Gries alone, sounds thunderous and huge. Pretty good stuff. Goose and I enjoy a similar kind of rhythm vibe - we both enjoy "loose" low end, and personally, I really enjoy setting the amp itself to have a healthy low end. That's why the TS/SD-1 would be a nice kick in the nuts for the 7th, if one likes tight pants.

I mean lesser headroom compared to say a 50 watter ...for a 5 watt its got insane headroom....but its kinda near impossible to get it turned up and get the tele clean

 

[bluepowder]

That explains it....i recall shredcow having a similar problem to yours, he uses the Gries too...single ended amps like those generally don take the 7th too well... I used the seventh with my blackheart little giant head....its single ended too like the gries. Dint like it too much either. Try it with an amp with at least 2 output tubes and hear the difference....

If im not wrong, goose has a mod for your Gries to make it more seventheaven friendly. He offered that for my Blackheart too but i declined cos i wanna get a better amp....

ya i gotta check that out.....


but i dont think its the gries...the gries might be affecting the treble...

make no mistake...at high gain....this is not a tight bass pedal....AND FOR THE NTH TIME...THATS NOT A BAD THING....

as shred has mentioned...this does what it was designed for beautifully...

ps. at lower gain i dont have any eq tightening issues...its at the very max gain...

 

[bluepowder]

did someone say jazz chorus??? yes..... and with stunning results!!

time to borrow my roomie's JC

 

[ShredCow]

ps. at lower gain i dont have any eq tightening issues...its at the very max gain...

I forgot to mention this too.

On the green channel, the bass isn't loose.

On the red channel, it starts to loosen up. Turn the boost on, then it gets even more flabby.

And I don't have a problem with flabby bass because I find it more natural sounding. I just roll down the vol on my guitar (with treble bleed) a little to tighten it up.

 

[gsonique]

Thanks for the feedback fellas ...

The Gries is a 5watt single ended (blackface champ based) with pretty decent headroom in it's class since it's fitted with an oversized OT.
Wheareas the lil giant has a smallish OT.

The Gries 5 comes stock with a single 12" Tonker Lite giving "extended top end and less lower mid-meat". Voiced for blues, southern rock ...country.
Oh ..it's an open back cab too...

As for the Lil giant ....a Black Heart/Eminance 12" with a 38oz magnet....british voiced ...sounds pretty good but having a smallish OT isn't goin to deliver much.

Nowadays we got more choices for speakers which can be blessing and a curse. Get the right tools fellas....

 

[bluepowder]

Thanks for the feedback fellas ...

The Gries is a 5watt single ended (blackface champ based) with pretty decent headroom in it's class since it's fitted with an oversized OT.
Wheareas the lil giant has a smallish OT.

The Gries 5 comes stock with a single 12" Tonker Lite giving "extended top end and less lower mid-meat". Voiced for blues, southern rock ...country.
Oh ..it's an open back cab too...

As for the Lil giant ....a Black Heart/Eminance 12" with a 38oz magnet....british voiced ...sounds pretty good but having a smallish OT isn't goin to deliver much.

Nowadays we got more choices for speakers which can be blessing and a curse. Get the right tools fellas....

agreed....gonna take it to jam this week and try it with some bigger marshall style amps

 

[gsonique]

agreed....gonna take it to jam this week and try it with some bigger marshall style clean amps

>> danelectrico runs his pedals into either the Ceriatone JTM45 or a Mesa F50 .. clean channel.

>> pedalitis runs into anything :-D
but mostly into his Olen Rockerverb 50 on the gain channel with gain set low and volume high (has a non-switchable 330pf bright cap across gain pot). And his trusty JC120 bright can pot variable.

 

[Ized]

I'll be jamming at beatmerchants and fourtones this weekend...will report on how it fares on the Marshall AVTs and the Mesa Dual Rect (if my band booked the right room) haha.....

So far i've already gotten good results jamming on a toneblaster and 4X12 cab with excellent results..despite the toneblaster being completely solid state. The Seventheaven really shows its true colours through 4x12 cabs....The bass isnt the tightest(not as tight as the sansamp gt2)but it is like much BIGGER sounding and natural and i really had a blast playing Cemetery gates and master of puppets!!

 

[SherT]

Goose, dropped you an email. 8)

 

[niteblade]

ahahah end of october is coming *awaits excitedly*

 

[MrBukka]

I am dying to wait for end of Oct too.......Niteblade i think we will be getting our pieces of heaven nearly at the same timing, cheers to you mate!!!

 

[dudelove]

I am dying to wait for end of Oct too.......Niteblade i think we will be getting our pieces of heaven nearly at the same timing, cheers to you mate!!!

hhaha will the end of oct be it??? i'm waiting for you too! hahaha

 

[j_m_s]

Eh darrell, I jammed there yesterday (fourtones) Now its all solid state. the mesa and tube amps are for rental only. DAMN! But the Mesa and marshall cabs are in the smaller studio with ibanez toneblaster heads.

 

[Ized]

yeah james, i realised.....the big room has the randall and toneblaster head...ibanez and laney cabs.

the seventheaven really sounded awesome when i jammed at fourtones large room....just roll down the volume for the green channel and pick the open chords for "while my guitar gently weeps" and turn it up for solos.....really killer. Not once i switched the 7th off.

different story at beatmerchants though. I dint like the marshall AVT's there, the cleans on that frickin amp was far from satisfactory imo and the clean preamp was already freaking noisy. distortion preamp, obviously unusable...is like roll down your volume and HISS. The seventheaven obviously did a better job than the amp's own preamp distortion...far quieter, more responsive and tighter chug. And it did a commendable job despite the less then stellar cleans.

 

[j_m_s]

try encore! studios in katong. My rig was super silent there. the executive suite was freakin' huge and great too. we jammed there before a gig once. haha.

 

[niteblade]

i jammed through a marshall jcm2000 last week. was dying to run the 7th through it but it wasnt ready yet. next time i guess

 

[ShredCow]

Interesting advancements on the 7th...

My 7th now has a bass cut overall, the boost has been toned down and the bass cut from that too, the overall grind/sizzle/bite has been reduced a little.

I think its sounds better. I like my guitar sound to be preserved when I kick in my gain. I never understood how a smooth, thick, fat clean tone could turn into a screaming, scooped-mids, grinding high gain metal thing...

The low end is no longer boomy on the Red Channel, Boost On. I used to complain to Goose that the neck single coil on my guitar sounded too phat, too thick - kind of un-natural - but with the bass cut overall and after toning down the Boost, I think the 7th is closer to retaining the characteristics of the guitar.
Another cool thing is - last time, the stock bass has good a good boom to it. Some like it. I like it but for the sake of making the 7th work with a pedalboard, it didn't quite work out. Like, if I used another pedal to push the 7th, most pedals don't have the low end of the 7th, so a bass cut happens. That's fine - the idea is to tighten the low end and turn the tone into shreddy-ville. Right? Nope. Stock, the boomy low end gets CUT OFF and that was mighty weird. Suddenly, all the bass I was feeling disappeared. With this latest tweak, I find the 7th stacks much better with other pedals. Does the 7th sound smaller, less amp-like? I don't think so. Its just more tidy in the low end.

About the reduction in grind/sizzle/bite, its just a touch but I find it helps in reducing the "transistor-y sound". I mentioned about this some time back and it was a minor point - something you'd only notice if you a/b-ed the 7th against a pedal that say... ran on IC chips. Now that this is even less obvious, I really do this it is another improvement in the design of the 7th.
Another cool thing I noticed, running the 7th on 9v has a slightly fuzz/fizz character to it... with this improvement, that is also reduced.

I think the reduction in grind/sizzle/bite is stock on the newer 7ths. The bass cut - I guess its up to the player to decide, Goose will explain to you guys anyway...