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sage
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AverRal, with all due respects I know what you're getting at. And I hope I don't come off as a nag, but your idea's fine as long as you don't snuff it into the faces of other girls alright? I stand on the other side of the spectrum in this but I'm crapping myself out in hilarity of your convictions..
And I'm supposed to.. stop posting (because everyone prefers seeing pics
) but I couldn't resist after reading this...
Yknow, since I don't have a mic (except maybe laptop mic), it's a funny thought to have a picture of my throat shown to the world. But hey, whatever it takes to show my passion~.. Conveniently, I'll die buried with it too
Amen to that........................ ...... .. .. . .. ..
And I'm supposed to.. stop posting (because everyone prefers seeing pics
) but I couldn't resist after reading this... Yknow, since I don't have a mic (except maybe laptop mic), it's a funny thought to have a picture of my throat shown to the world. But hey, whatever it takes to show my passion~.. Conveniently, I'll die buried with it too
Amen to that........................ ...... .. .. . .. ..
mightymouse
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ahhhh.....women and their instruments *melts*
Just play wat u want to, be happy with yourself and dont give in to mtv. :lol: well.....erm, yea, thats abt it i guess.
can i press rewind....wanna go back to 20th april, NOFX....haizz.
Just play wat u want to, be happy with yourself and dont give in to mtv. :lol: well.....erm, yea, thats abt it i guess.
can i press rewind....wanna go back to 20th april, NOFX....haizz.
Amanda (fored) probably has one of the most (if not the most) sensible replies so far...
Addressing AverRal's 2nd post (the 3rd version of it - I think it was edited twice before...? Not sure what the other 2 versions were like...):
I personally wouldn't want to be worshipped, heh. But yes, AverRal's general idea is valid to some extent IMO; basically you can't avoid having an image.
It depends on what image you project, and how consciously you shape it (or don't try to shape it), etc. But the bottomline is that you will always have an image.
George Orwell echoes the same idea (although he addresses the issue of writing, and the writer's aim/intention etc) in his essay "Why I Write" - the idea that whether you like it or not, whether you're conscious of it or not, you are putting forth a message to your audience. Example: Even if you're "just", for example, a down-to-earth home-studio singer-songwriter acoustic guitarist that records tunes in his/her room and puts them up on MySpace - that automatically places you in a category, in a genre, which by default forms part of your image (think of the keywords I've just used: singer-songwriter, acoustic guitarist, home-studio, MySpace...)
However, it's not just about having "attractive" physical features. It's not just about having "a face to every [sic] music". It's about having a well-developed, three-dimensional image, which does not equate a mere pretty face. It's about pitching a story, a concept, a narrative at people, that is encapsulated in those visuals: not just the artist's face, but the artist's style of dress, the artist's surroundings that he/she is photographed against, the artist's habits/hobbies, the artist's background (i.e. his/her "life story")... etc.
It's not merely a face; the face becomes a symbol of all of those narratives that (whether subconsciously or consciously) are fed to you.
There are many, many attractive wannabes sending their demos out to record labels - some of them have actual talent, some less so... but IMO what really makes or breaks an artist's appeal is their ability to cultivate a three-dimensional image. Sometimes (or most times) their management and label comes up with the image, but the artist has to be able to pull it off. (This is probably very closely related to the "X-factor" issue, come to think of it.)
In that sense, posting up pictures (in itself) isn't enough. For 'girl-power' solidarity, it could be a fun thing. But if it's posting up pictures for more than just female-musician-solidarity; if it's posting up pictures more related to the "intellectual" reasons that AverRal cited... er... then the pictures themselves should strive towards more inventive standards I guess. But if it's just for fun then anything goes what (as long as it doesn't violate any of the msgboard rules here) - if you don't like looking at the pictures, then don't look.
Sorry if I've over-intellectualised. On some level, yar I guess this could just be a fun thing (like a "let's post up our photos for fun!" kinda thing... like you see on lots of blogs these days...) but every time this sort of stuff comes up I tend to think of all the other dynamics, assumptions, mentalities etc that are working beneath the surface... er, especially if it has something to do with females and/or music. (yar, and this thread happened to involve both, heh.)
Addressing AverRal's 2nd post (the 3rd version of it - I think it was edited twice before...? Not sure what the other 2 versions were like...):
I personally wouldn't want to be worshipped, heh. But yes, AverRal's general idea is valid to some extent IMO; basically you can't avoid having an image.
It depends on what image you project, and how consciously you shape it (or don't try to shape it), etc. But the bottomline is that you will always have an image.
George Orwell echoes the same idea (although he addresses the issue of writing, and the writer's aim/intention etc) in his essay "Why I Write" - the idea that whether you like it or not, whether you're conscious of it or not, you are putting forth a message to your audience. Example: Even if you're "just", for example, a down-to-earth home-studio singer-songwriter acoustic guitarist that records tunes in his/her room and puts them up on MySpace - that automatically places you in a category, in a genre, which by default forms part of your image (think of the keywords I've just used: singer-songwriter, acoustic guitarist, home-studio, MySpace...)
However, it's not just about having "attractive" physical features. It's not just about having "a face to every [sic] music". It's about having a well-developed, three-dimensional image, which does not equate a mere pretty face. It's about pitching a story, a concept, a narrative at people, that is encapsulated in those visuals: not just the artist's face, but the artist's style of dress, the artist's surroundings that he/she is photographed against, the artist's habits/hobbies, the artist's background (i.e. his/her "life story")... etc.
It's not merely a face; the face becomes a symbol of all of those narratives that (whether subconsciously or consciously) are fed to you.
There are many, many attractive wannabes sending their demos out to record labels - some of them have actual talent, some less so... but IMO what really makes or breaks an artist's appeal is their ability to cultivate a three-dimensional image. Sometimes (or most times) their management and label comes up with the image, but the artist has to be able to pull it off. (This is probably very closely related to the "X-factor" issue, come to think of it.)
In that sense, posting up pictures (in itself) isn't enough. For 'girl-power' solidarity, it could be a fun thing. But if it's posting up pictures for more than just female-musician-solidarity; if it's posting up pictures more related to the "intellectual" reasons that AverRal cited... er... then the pictures themselves should strive towards more inventive standards I guess. But if it's just for fun then anything goes what (as long as it doesn't violate any of the msgboard rules here) - if you don't like looking at the pictures, then don't look.
Sorry if I've over-intellectualised. On some level, yar I guess this could just be a fun thing (like a "let's post up our photos for fun!" kinda thing... like you see on lots of blogs these days...) but every time this sort of stuff comes up I tend to think of all the other dynamics, assumptions, mentalities etc that are working beneath the surface... er, especially if it has something to do with females and/or music. (yar, and this thread happened to involve both, heh.)
So, accordingly - and picking up from what Amanda was saying too: if you just take ill-thought-out "sexy photos", then you'll sort of shoot yourself in the foot by reinforcing a two-dimensional image. But the keyphrase isn't "sexy photos"; the keyphrase is actually "ill-thought-out".
Having a sexy image isn't necessarily two-dimensional. Very often there's an element of sexiness/sex in a lot more images than we consciously acknowledge, I think. E.g. some people think early Britney Spears was a turn-off, but find Norah Jones (or Janis Joplin, or Joni Mitchell, etc) extremely sexy. (You don't need to bare a lot of skin to be sexy.)
And even if you pick out any of those Top 40 heavily-packaged artists that people label as merely "selling sex", and really scrutinise the mechanics of their image - you'll find that their "sexy" image aspect is a lot more nuanced than people consciously give them credit for. The type of "sex" that the Pussycat Dolls embody is quite different from the type of "sex" that early Britney Spears embodied (summation: one is burlesque and more brash, the other more schoolgirl, coy, earnest, vaguely "innocent").
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Thinking about the 'female solidarity' thing again though: I'm not sure whether this is necessarily an appropriate context to do something like post such pictures...? And I'm not sure how much it really does anything concrete in terms of helping female musicians in Singapore...
So now I'm thinking of starting a website for female musicians in Singapore (or Singapore & M'sia?)... but I'm going to chew over the thought for awhile (probably the next few weeks) since it's exam season for me at the moment (argh argh argh). If anyone's interested in the idea, can pm me...
btw, are there any solid women producers in Singapore? I've always wondered that.
Having a sexy image isn't necessarily two-dimensional. Very often there's an element of sexiness/sex in a lot more images than we consciously acknowledge, I think. E.g. some people think early Britney Spears was a turn-off, but find Norah Jones (or Janis Joplin, or Joni Mitchell, etc) extremely sexy. (You don't need to bare a lot of skin to be sexy.)
And even if you pick out any of those Top 40 heavily-packaged artists that people label as merely "selling sex", and really scrutinise the mechanics of their image - you'll find that their "sexy" image aspect is a lot more nuanced than people consciously give them credit for. The type of "sex" that the Pussycat Dolls embody is quite different from the type of "sex" that early Britney Spears embodied (summation: one is burlesque and more brash, the other more schoolgirl, coy, earnest, vaguely "innocent").
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Thinking about the 'female solidarity' thing again though: I'm not sure whether this is necessarily an appropriate context to do something like post such pictures...? And I'm not sure how much it really does anything concrete in terms of helping female musicians in Singapore...
So now I'm thinking of starting a website for female musicians in Singapore (or Singapore & M'sia?)... but I'm going to chew over the thought for awhile (probably the next few weeks) since it's exam season for me at the moment (argh argh argh). If anyone's interested in the idea, can pm me...
btw, are there any solid women producers in Singapore? I've always wondered that.
kerplunk182
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i shall start on my influences. I shall list the whole history since i'm bored Honestly, started out with backstreet boys kinda stuff when i was like 3. When i was about 4 it was Michael Learns To Rock, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Aerosmith, Guns and Roses. Untill i was 9 i started listenin to Metallica and Linkin Park. Then at 12i switched to punk rock like green day, rancid, ramones, mest. When i was 13, the emo music scene expanded and i listened to from first to last, underoath, fall out boy, taking back sunday, escape the fate, i am ghot. Epitaph records kinda stuff.. Now at 14, i'm sick of emo music and i'm back listening to the old school metal. O and Mika. I think his voice is damn hot. :twisted: it takes quite alotta courage to sing songs as high pitched as his.. Hehehe.
Honestly, started out with backstreet boys kinda stuff when i was like 3. When i was about 4 it was Michael Learns To Rock, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Aerosmith, Guns and Roses. Untill i was 9 i started listenin to Metallica and Linkin Park. Then at 12i switched to punk rock like green day, rancid, ramones, mest. When i was 13, the emo music scene expanded and i listened to from first to last, underoath, fall out boy, taking back sunday, escape the fate, i am ghot. Epitaph records kinda stuff.. Now at 14, i'm sick of emo music and i'm back listening to the old school metal. O and Mika. I think his voice is damn hot. :twisted: it takes quite alotta courage to sing songs as high pitched as his.. Hehehe.
sleepykitty
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woah how did you hear about it bro?
theblueark
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I disapprove of heavy editing of previous messages. It confuses the whole thread and messes up the forum system.
Now edder looks like he's talking nonsense.
HAHAHA edder
Now edder looks like he's talking nonsense.
HAHAHA edder
suckasucks
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wow i never realised how many people disrespected female musicians before reading this thread. (im a guy.) talk about sexist.
theblueark
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Edder still looks weird asking you about non existent photos though.
To be fair, I don't think it was necessarily a case of people disrespecting female musicians (in this specific case, for most of this thread, anyway). Rather, it seemed to be a case of people feeling that female musicians that posted pictures of themselves here would actually be disrespecting themselves.
Sort of like "hey, if you want real respect, why on earth are you doing something that seems so disrespectful to your own self?" That's the impression I got from some posts that seemed disapproving of this thread.
It's funny to see the males' equivalent of this thread (the rock guys photos thread) - there are lots more pictures of guys merrily posing away with their instruments. Obviously there's a certain stigma attached to a female musician that would rather post a picture of herself first than post her music up (and it's a stigma unique to females; because as evidenced by the male thread, males don't seem to carry or feel this stigma), and people have to bear that in mind, no matter whether they approve or disapprove of that stigma. (And accordingly - this all feeds into the original question of image: what image do you want to have? Like I said, image isn't about mere visuals; it's about a narrative, an idea, a backstory... etc.) There seems to be an implicit understanding (between many members of both genders) that a picture of a female posing with her instrument (esp. in this context) is charged with a lot more underlying meaning/significance (I won't start getting into the details of that significance). It's interesting how there are certain things that people implicitly understand or believe in, but do not (or cannot) verbalise clearly.
In some sense, it faintly parallels the dynamics that went on in Annabel Chong's (in)famous film where she set a (then) world record for having the biggest gangbang. In later interviews, she claimed that she did it to subvert gender stereotypes; she claimed that she did it to turn the tables on men having more socially-endorsed freedom to have multiple sex partners. To her, she was doing something that liberated women, that challenged gender stereotypes. However, to most of the rest of society, she came across as (to put it bluntly) being "cheap".
So when faced with a similar dilemma, what do you do? Do you attempt to engage the rest of society on their own terms, or do you just plow ahead with your own idea of how to carry out your agenda? And what is your purpose, anyway (this is probably the root of the previous question)? It seems like there's a strange dichotomy going on (and this doesn't just apply to women's rights related issues; it applies to many other groups that feel marginalised, whether justifiably or otherwise): on one hand, they want society to see them on their own terms, on the other hand, they also have an inclination to say "@#$* society, i don't want to care about what they think and i just want to do my own thing without being threatened by them".
And you don't even just see it in marginalised groups' sentiments; you see it even in parent-child relationships (like the classic case of the child that wants to do something artsy and the parents that disapprove: you get the child feeling that on one hand, he/she wants his/her parents' approval, and on the other hand, he/she just doesn't want to care).
Probably goes back to the issue of things like self-perception and self-identity... and I could write a chunk more on that but I shouldn't (should be studying econ... uh oh).
oh... kerplunk182, I think Mika has a really good voice range; I like the way he seems to belt out the high notes so effortlessly. Stylistically, he's so similar to my musician-friend at school (both thin skinny androgynous boys that have relatively high vocal ranges, with a music style that's a cross between dance-pop and cabaret/Broadway/opera) it's almost funny, hehe.
i dunno bout the guys here. but i have zero complains when jenna jameson poses with jackson guitars, albeit the fact that i duno whether she can really play or not really. she probly have more strings to play than i do either way :wink:
anyone who complains and demands a soundclip/video that the girl can actually play should reread the title of this thread... rock 'chicks' PHOTOS (definition of chicks here are subjected to different perspectives of course)
if you wanna hear soundclips/videos, theres the open mic section and youtube.
ps: stay away from chicks with dicks
anyone who complains and demands a soundclip/video that the girl can actually play should reread the title of this thread... rock 'chicks' PHOTOS (definition of chicks here are subjected to different perspectives of course)
if you wanna hear soundclips/videos, theres the open mic section and youtube.
ps: stay away from chicks with dicks
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