Obama to receive Singapore plea
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billthegeek
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What's wrong with all those people blasting and cursing him on youtube? It's kind of immature and ridiculous...
chrisiscoolerthanyou
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i think obama and generally the world has more important issues to take care of..
we're much better off than so many other countries, look at the war at israel..
chee just has nothing better to do
we're much better off than so many other countries, look at the war at israel..
chee just has nothing better to do
I agree that those who are making fun of him and ridiculing him are really ridiculous. Chee has done so much for us and we only take him for granted. To put it aptly, he's the only source of opposition our government has to deal with. He talks about things about the government that we discuss when we're having dinners. I hope both Obama and Chee are able to inspire the next generation of youths to re-think about what they need and want.
EngelFaeuste
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I highly doubt that such an event happened.
hifi_killer
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Dr Chee is a politician. Politicians are suppose to make their actions noticed and gain awareness for their cause. If people take him for granted or condemn him , well that means he dont really know how to play the game. He should reconsider his strategies.
And perhaps aligning himself with Obama might be a good move.
And perhaps aligning himself with Obama might be a good move.
1) the right to speak freely: dr. chee has spoken "freely" many times before, and this youtube video is an example of that. remember that one time when he confronted goh chok tong (or lee hsien long, memory is fuzzy) in public and asked him about a large sum of money which he implied was unaccounted for? that was all proven to be a baseless accusation in court/parliament. and i don't know how many times dr. chee has fallen back on his excuse of "oh, it was a typo error" or "i can't remember".
2) elect leaders of our choice: we DO have the right to do so, at least at the MP level (not ministerial level). no doubt, the GRC system is highly flawed and certain factors are skewed towards the ruling party, but don't forget, in the last election, the PAP threw a lot of financial and political weight behind their potong pasir campaign, but the people still voted for the opposition there. they had a choice and they made it.
3) live with dignity: first of all, dignity is something we choose to posess and hold on to, not something bestowed upon us by the government. with his belligerent antics, i would argue that dr. chee is in fact not very concerned with his own dignity.
now, i am neither pro- nor anti- PAP/opposition/dr. chee, i am merely putting things in a logical way. overall, i think that dr. chee has a lot of perseverance and passion, which we can all learn from, but he certainly has to learn how to pick his battles, and devise smarter ways to fight them.
Flawed Element
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Well, I admire this Chee fellow. I woudnt do that if i were him. 
These are my Opinions
I think the government has abuse its power, The government doesn't care about its people and only cares about its economy.
Maybe Yeah, They have tried to help but there don't go all out. Its all a charade. L K Y is a smart man and we all know it. If you didnt know, The PAP use to be a Communist party back in the 1960s and if you are thinkin "but now we are democratic now what" wrong!!. Our democracy is only guided. Its Guided Democracy. so we are basically part of the control scheme. - Its the god forsaken fact -
Stability is all we have. Tell me something which i don't know. Tell me they are willing to help the poor or make medical free for the needy (Do your research on countries that provide that, be surprise) Tell me they are gonna make a min wage structure like what major countries in the world do. Tell me they want to make a better singapore.
They Have made every Singaporean Afraid of them. Theres a fine line between fear and respect. Fear has clouded all of the people's judgement. Everything You do is basically a crime here but some crimes are not strong enough to send you to jail isn't it, so they fine you.
Further more, the cost of living is so high. with small expensive houses and expensive car maintenance and heres the thing, The government wants people to work but dont want them to drive to work, they encourage them to take the public transport - but wait heres the twist - They increase transport fares. "Wow isnt that nice" and they expect you to remain silent?? So what if "low crime doesn't mean no crime"
I cant speak what i feel in front of politicians?? isn't that ridiculous?? has the people voice become a weapon that it threatens the stability of this country? If it isn't then why do they retaliate against us when we voice out and if it is then why don't we use it? - well just a thought -
I Got More Reasons Hate Than To Love This Place. If you are asking "Joe, if You're so unhappy then why stay here". I'll tell you my friends, i wish i could but i got no choice. I'm Hoping someday i will move, but Honestly, I Rather Fight Than Run.
CONCLUSION
Anyway, Obama ain't gonna help us. He is gonna help america first then those middle eastern countries, then those countries who cries for help and then maybe just maybe he will look at us and thats all the hope we can get.
Other than that just make the best of what ever freedom you have here and Make Your Talents Appeal Into The International Scene. I Hope There Will Be Change In The Human Rights Here But For Now It Doesnt Look Good.
Keep On Rockin
Flawed Element
Joe Chahal
www.myspace.com/flawedelement
These are my Opinions
I think the government has abuse its power, The government doesn't care about its people and only cares about its economy.
Maybe Yeah, They have tried to help but there don't go all out. Its all a charade. L K Y is a smart man and we all know it. If you didnt know, The PAP use to be a Communist party back in the 1960s and if you are thinkin "but now we are democratic now what" wrong!!. Our democracy is only guided. Its Guided Democracy. so we are basically part of the control scheme. - Its the god forsaken fact -
Stability is all we have. Tell me something which i don't know. Tell me they are willing to help the poor or make medical free for the needy (Do your research on countries that provide that, be surprise) Tell me they are gonna make a min wage structure like what major countries in the world do. Tell me they want to make a better singapore.
They Have made every Singaporean Afraid of them. Theres a fine line between fear and respect. Fear has clouded all of the people's judgement. Everything You do is basically a crime here but some crimes are not strong enough to send you to jail isn't it, so they fine you.
Further more, the cost of living is so high. with small expensive houses and expensive car maintenance and heres the thing, The government wants people to work but dont want them to drive to work, they encourage them to take the public transport - but wait heres the twist - They increase transport fares. "Wow isnt that nice" and they expect you to remain silent?? So what if "low crime doesn't mean no crime"
I cant speak what i feel in front of politicians?? isn't that ridiculous?? has the people voice become a weapon that it threatens the stability of this country? If it isn't then why do they retaliate against us when we voice out and if it is then why don't we use it? - well just a thought -
I Got More Reasons Hate Than To Love This Place. If you are asking "Joe, if You're so unhappy then why stay here". I'll tell you my friends, i wish i could but i got no choice. I'm Hoping someday i will move, but Honestly, I Rather Fight Than Run.
CONCLUSION
Anyway, Obama ain't gonna help us. He is gonna help america first then those middle eastern countries, then those countries who cries for help and then maybe just maybe he will look at us and thats all the hope we can get.
Other than that just make the best of what ever freedom you have here and Make Your Talents Appeal Into The International Scene. I Hope There Will Be Change In The Human Rights Here But For Now It Doesnt Look Good.
Keep On Rockin
Flawed Element
Joe Chahal
www.myspace.com/flawedelement
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THOA
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His sentiments echo mine.
You wanna have the rights to voice out on a matter about the government? Be prepared with solid evidence that cannot be proven wrong. Otherwise it is a baseless assumption and flawed opinion.
Support for Dr Chee stems from the fact that he has the passion and courage to stand for what he believe to be injustice by the government. My admiration to him for that, really. But that is all that I admire about him cos if he do not have the smarts to let himself stay out of trouble, I have no confidence in him making sure that Singapore stays out of trouble.
Am I agreeable to the level of "democracy" in this country? Definitely not. But will I choose Dr Chee as a leader of my country? A country doesn't feed its people on human rights and freedom of speech. It feeds its people through having a stable economy and a orderly system to sustain needs and wants of its citizen. I have yet to be convinced that Dr Chee can do that.
The amount of time and money he spent in trying to galvanize his actions may be worth a lot more if he had focus it to directly help the people he sought to help, not into making his voice bigger and louder. He can be as loud as he want, but right now, not a lot of people are listening.
rottenramone
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agree with the above. i always see that he's trying to wake us up to what human rights is all about, but he has spent so much time shouting. we're not sure what's he gonna do after he puts the loudhailer down. the guy really needs a PR agent to put him in a better light.
perhaps when singapore is a more developed civil society, our kids can laud him for his efforts in singapore human rights promotion.
if he's bankrupt, where does he get his money from?
perhaps when singapore is a more developed civil society, our kids can laud him for his efforts in singapore human rights promotion.
if he's bankrupt, where does he get his money from?
THOA
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That's the thing, he could have avoided being bankrupt in the first place. He was even sued by Chiam See Tong, THE founder and ex-member of the party Chee is currently helming, so it's not just the ruling government that were having trouble with him.
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America used to have slavery. China was ruled by a king. Singapore was part of Johor. These are all in the past.
If you know of anyone who is unable to work owing to old age, illness or disability and have no means of subsistence and have little or no family support you may seek help under the PA scheme.
http://www.mcys.gov.sg/web/serv_E_PA.html
The monthly cost of 1 client in Home for the Aged is about $700. For PA recipient, they are fully paid for by the government.
Yes, there are still many people who we feel need help. The problem is, some of these people resist help!
I-Am-The-Walrus
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My friend said it best though
"Because of George Bush, my Milo Peng costs $1.30 now!!!!!"
"Because of George Bush, my Milo Peng costs $1.30 now!!!!!"
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The PA is way too low, it is not paid in full but $330/mth...before extracting rental utilities and conservancy. It is still help but I trust you can judge for yourself whether this help is enough. My opinion is that it's not. Sometimes the elderly resist the 'help' because they are told to sue their children. How many elderly would like to do that?
The PA is way too low, it is not paid in full but $330/mth...before extracting rental utilities and conservancy. It is still help but I trust you can judge for yourself whether this help is enough. My opinion is that it's not. Sometimes the elderly resist the 'help' because they are told to sue their children. How many elderly would like to do that?
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