Nguyen Tuong Van case heats up.

thor666 said:
interesting....
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right on ! anti-paternal governmental policies

it is defintely meteing out justice , but the issue here is whether how fair was the punishment ?

hard facts seem to suggest that whereas the dude was a mere pawn , he is taking the rap for the far bigger fish out there.

in any case , i personally think this case is highyl controversial as it shows what is fair and what is justice.

these two words are often freely taken and accepted for granted.the crux is , they are only relevant in the context in which how they are applied or how do they appear. this case is no doubt a textbook judgement but evenwhen its a clear textbook case judgement and conviction does that mean it is fair and that justice is upheld ?

thats why it has stirred up so much controversy.
 
haha.

just to clear the air... i'm not anti-government in any way. i think we need to change, and that's what the government has always been saying. Challenge the system within the boundaries.

sadly speaking, some people who challenge the boundaries are convicted instead - Sedition Act comes into mind.

when society starts to change, invariably i think the higher management should also change. and change, not just in the sense of "higher management wants to change in his own way", but ultimately listening and responding to change appropriately.
 
well said thor. but still it wld take time for the higher management to change. why cuz the society that is changing are pple of a new generation, new way of thinkin n lving. n the higher management is held by pple of the older management. its like introducing heavy metal to an old man who listens to chinese wayang.
 
ixora05 said:
Nguyen was arrested while in transit, Singapore does not officially have the right to sentence him--, not at all.

He is responsible for his crime but does it warrant his death? the drugs were not even for distribution in Singapore. It was being trafficked into Melbourne, according to my research. so why on earth does it challenge our national security?

Ignorance before the law is no excuse. But the law shouldn't be an excuse to kill indiscriminately, either.
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I glad you have a learned mother. Would you like to share with all of us here her explanation on points of law and her personal opinion? Personally I am here to learn, without prejucide..
 
1. trafficking and consuming is different.
Yes, it is different. But the demand for drugs from "consumers" results in smuggling. You don't really get my point, do you?

2. the root of the drug problem is not in Singapore.
It's universal.

3. if you feel capital punishment is hash, what is alternative?
That's for you guys to go figure.

"Now, if I were a drug trafficker, I would definetely think twice about trafficking into singapore. Don't tell me you won't?"
I know who might consider trafficking drugs...

The people society has forgotten and forsaken. These people have nothing to lose, but have something to gain.

ixora05: Cool!
 
jumbofret

without supply, there will be no need for drugs!!!

drugs is different from your other product, it is not like food or guitar.

you still dont understand. but it is ok, i am here to help you.
 
Ya you have to consider that drugs are addictive goods, so in that case, it would be more realistic to say that demand and supply do not remain constant, but rather that even if supply is constant, the demand for drugs will increase because more people get addicted etc.

While on the other hand, no supply could equate to people having no alternative but to kick the habit, which then results in no demand.
 
soft said:
jumbofret

without supply, there will be no need for drugs!!!

drugs is different from your other product, it is not like food or guitar.

you still dont understand. but it is ok, i am here to help you.
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Oh, so are you saying that Nguyen and similar traffickers are the supply?

Or are you saying that executing him will have an effect on the supply?
 
"but it is ok, i am here to help you."

Like real.

There will never be a perfect situation where there is zero supply of drugs.

Don't forget that there are idiots who want to try drugs. Demand leads to supply. You can hang all the traffickers, but they will be replaced by others lured in by money.
 
we must stay calm else we will fall into the 'dark' side. you will be the one who will make a difference.
 
haha, not u lah james, i interpreted jumbo's reply as an angry one. so i say that lor...im not a smoker btw, just a comment in the name of "fun".
 
MichaelAngelo: No no! My post was not meant to be an angry one! :lol:

It was a reference to Star Wars, cos James said "we must stay calm else we will fall into the 'dark' side."

Also, I remember he was called "Godfather"... So he is also like a Master in some sense. lol.
 
to HeartRock: my mom's not a criminal lawyer so she could only help me so far, but according to one of her friends Singapore is allowed to sentence him. So long as he was in possession of the drugs on Singapore territory, it is considered trafficking. yeah. (I always thought airports were neutral. apparently they're not. go figure.)

I'm ashamed of myself. That it took this media hoo-ha and this Australian man to make me realise the severity of capital punishment as a punishment for drug trafficking. The life of this man is not worth more than the men who died for this crime before him.
 
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