Nguyen Tuong Van case heats up.
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MadWerewolfBoy
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well... RIP...
HeartRockSingapore
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sofyan said:
Hang On Friday Version 2.0
AiraTekkan
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turbochicken said:
well, all i can say is
take one step into a burning building. whether someone forced you into it or you walked into it of your own free will, you get burnt all the same.
detroit_red
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Poor guy .... But i guess this kinda thing is fate, if he is fated to die then he die ... It's up to God to decide where he goes next after his death ...
gaderel_dathamonga
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Considering the only presidential appeal that got approved happened only 47 seconds before the dude hanged, I'd say difficult to predict. But honestly, I think his chances are slim. But think about this. IF he gets to stay alive, what will happen to him? He'll have another set of problems to deal with.
visa
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If we let him off, it'll be a flaw in our justice system and it'll be unfair to all the people who have been hanged for trafficking drugs beforehand.
When you enter a country, you are subjecting yourself to it's laws and regulations.
Would Australia want us to tell them how to punish their criminals?
If we let off Nguyen, his case will be cited in court in the future by other traffickers as reason to let them off.
He commited a crime in our country which threatens our national security and we have complete right to judge and punish him by our laws.
When you enter a country, you are subjecting yourself to it's laws and regulations.
Would Australia want us to tell them how to punish their criminals?
If we let off Nguyen, his case will be cited in court in the future by other traffickers as reason to let them off.
He commited a crime in our country which threatens our national security and we have complete right to judge and punish him by our laws.
detroit_red
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visa said:
This is a good reason. Don't let this case make us change our justice system. Might as well change at a specified time in the future, or it will be unfair to those before Nguyen ... But i still think death is a heavy penalty, at least give like 15 years la ...
when I first heard of this case, I thought, "so the guy committed a crime, he's got to do the time, what's the big deal?" then I did my research, listened to other people's opinions--and I realised that what I think has changed.
Not saying that Singapore should change their justice system--in fact, if you want to argue that angle, Nguyen was arrested while in transit, Singapore does not officially have the right to sentence him--, not at all.
but his family was only allowed to see him for half an hour every day, recently lengthened in light of the fact that he is going to die on Friday. His mother was not allowed to hug him before he dies on Friday. Oh and guess what, he's dying on Friday. He is responsible for his crime but does it warrant his death? the drugs were not even for distribution in Singapore. It was being trafficked into Melbourne, according to my research. so why on earth does it challenge our national security?
Ignorance before the law is no excuse. But the law shouldn't be an excuse to kill indiscriminately, either.
Not saying that Singapore should change their justice system--in fact, if you want to argue that angle, Nguyen was arrested while in transit, Singapore does not officially have the right to sentence him--, not at all.
but his family was only allowed to see him for half an hour every day, recently lengthened in light of the fact that he is going to die on Friday. His mother was not allowed to hug him before he dies on Friday. Oh and guess what, he's dying on Friday. He is responsible for his crime but does it warrant his death? the drugs were not even for distribution in Singapore. It was being trafficked into Melbourne, according to my research. so why on earth does it challenge our national security?
Ignorance before the law is no excuse. But the law shouldn't be an excuse to kill indiscriminately, either.
ixora05, in your research, did you find out if any of the questions asked by SOFTies were raised in the court? there are quite a few of questions that were left unanswered in this thread, either not many SOFTies actually read the court proceedings or these questions were never raised.
* i only scan through the newspaper's headlines
* i only scan through the newspaper's headlines
HeartRockSingapore
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hi ixora05
Do you have friends who are lawyers whom you can seek to understand the implications better? The law is not as simple as it is being put.
Do you have friends who are lawyers whom you can seek to understand the implications better? The law is not as simple as it is being put.
hiroshimorie
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SherT said:
Choice? What choices are available for him?
thor666
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interesting...
i somewhat disagree with the notion of delaying the change in law, and while it is unfair, i do think it is justified.
the law is supposed to be fair and just. The verdict is fair, but there's an hint of doubt as to whether it is just.
if the law (statue or act) would be changed, it would set a precedent. it would be shocking, but i feel it should happen if society feels that Nguyen should not be hanged. i understand people might feel it is unfair for those who have been hanged. However if people feel negatively about the death penalty, it should not become a "we should punish our children as how our parents punished us" mentality.
i somewhat disagree with the notion of delaying the change in law, and while it is unfair, i do think it is justified.
the law is supposed to be fair and just. The verdict is fair, but there's an hint of doubt as to whether it is just.
if the law (statue or act) would be changed, it would set a precedent. it would be shocking, but i feel it should happen if society feels that Nguyen should not be hanged. i understand people might feel it is unfair for those who have been hanged. However if people feel negatively about the death penalty, it should not become a "we should punish our children as how our parents punished us" mentality.
james: yes, some questions were raised--Singapore was asked why Nguyen was sentenced while in transit by ICJ, I think--apparently it can be proven that Nguyen was trying to distribute the drugs in Singapore. How exactly I could not find out. The full details of court proceedings are not open to the public, and it's not in the papers. many questions were raised but given answers that satisify the authorities.
and HeartRockSingapore--my mother is a lawyer. She's been explaining the laws to me.
and HeartRockSingapore--my mother is a lawyer. She's been explaining the laws to me.
