Nguyen Tuong Van case heats up.

Exactly. It's not like we can deter people from bring drugs into singapore by going "Ok, everyone that wants to bring drugs in because your family is in desperate need of cash queue over here. We'll give you $10 000 if you don't bring them in."

The fact is, if you are an overseas drug dealer, and you have the choice of trafficking to singapore or to australia, you'd probably choose australia. And Lo and Behold, singapore has less drugs.

Sending a "message" by executing or punishing a mule/trafficker isn't a really good solution. Why don't they hang him in public and broadcast it over the Internet, if we were all about sending messages?
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I disagree. And the fact that he is going to be hanged IS broadcasted over the internet and all over the news. The message is strong enough without graphically showing the action. This giant hoo haa is actually helping singapore to advertise "Don't effing bring drugs to our country cos we will hang you and even if your motherland protests you are going to die"

Now, if I were a drug trafficker, I would definetely think twice about trafficking into singapore. Don't tell me you won't?
 
The law against drug trafficking makes no discrimination whether one is desperate or loaded, whether one is young or old, whether one is foreigner or local, whether one is the mastermind or the runner.

This law was there for umteen years and the whole world knows that Singapore is notorious for hanging anyone caught trafficking drugs in or through our ports.

Where in the old days, ppl who carries an electric guitar were often suspicious of being a drug addict, musicians among whom many are softies today are glad that such stigma is no longer there, exception permitted.

At least I am personally happy that the relationship between politics and the law has not resulted in the parliament passing laws to legalise "drug" consumption, and worst still, allowing drug traffickers to try their luck with clever court and out of court arguments because we have weak laws resulting from weak politics.

I see there will be a day where the death penalty for drug trafficking will be lifted in singapore on the following conditions...

there is no more demand for such drugs

parliament is made up of people under drug lord payroll, directly or otherwise

the end of the world arrives
 
detroit_red said:
I like how pepper's post ended with couldn't he have asked from help from "xxxxx" ... Please, the guy's going to be hanged, don't insult his intelligence ... Im sure "i can get this money another way" must've gone thru nguyen's head a couple of times at least, before taking the risk of bringing the drugs into sg ...
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I'd like to clear the air on this one. What you've quoted from my post was what I quoted from the papers. So yeah, it's not my stand.

My point is: sometimes we have to let our minds overrule our emotions

And yes, I do think the thought of the other options Nguyen could have taken, would already have been considered by himself. But in the end, he chose to still do this task. And perhaps, if he was to admit that somehow he was threatened by the drug dealers or whoever, to commit this crime, maybe he might have a higher chance of being granted a lighter sentence. But he mentioned nothing of being 'forced'.

Anyway, I was just wondering again. All these comments are mostly from outsiders. What have Nguyen got to say for himself? Was he ever interviewed? =\
 
HeartRockSingapore said:
The law against drug trafficking makes no discrimination whether one is desperate or loaded, whether one is young or old, whether one is foreigner or local, whether one is the mastermind or the runner.
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That's the whole point of it man, they won't care if you were desperate or not. If they spare this guy, the government would have to deal with other cases of victims crying foul over their own desperation. As much as the story is sad, the Singaporean law cannot be bent just like that.
 
pepper- said:
I'd like to clear the air on this one. What you've quoted from my post was what I quoted from the papers. So yeah, it's not my stand.
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yeah i know sweetie i should've explained that i was talking bout what you quoted ..
 
hes going to die on december 2 , 9 more days from now.

hmmz

anyone note the timing of it ? why the aussie appeal only when hes a couple of weeks away from his sentencing. why was no formal appeal made when he was sentenced in december 2004 ?
 
I didn't know he was sentenced last year. whoa. good point. how come there is only a fuss being kicked up almost a year after his being sentenced?
 
the best example is...

When Schapelle Corby was arrested in Bali for carrying nearly FIVE KILOGRAMS of Marijuana and was sentenced to life in jail, guess what Australians did?

They called for the government to get Indonesia to refund TSUNAMI AID that Australia provided.

I think that says a lot about Australians.
 
Did anybody see "TODAY" dated 24th Nov ? Some reader has written that Dr. Chee has given an exclusive negative interview about this case to Australian Media ??

Shame on him...
 
joel68 said:
Did anybody see "TODAY" dated 24th Nov ? Some reader has written that Dr. Chee has given an exclusive negative interview about this case to Australian Media ??

Shame on him...
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read the newspapers with a pinch of salt. Dr Chee seems stupid to most Singaporeans, but think of how in the world a Prof would actually be so "stupid".

Dr Chee would have given any paper an exclusive negative interview, but for the fact that no Singapore paper in their right mind would offer an interview to him.

Read more, know more. That's not to say I agree with his more extreme methods of grabbing attention. Given the circumstances last time and up till now however, he would not have garnered more fame and the correct segments of voters in many other ways.
 
hifi_killer said:
he has his own political agendas in mind,not the country's.
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you mean to say that our current leaders all have the country's interest in mind? ok then..if they really do its time they took a minimum 50% pay cut...not in it for the money but for the country's interest anyway right? cutting their fat salaries from 1 million to 500k a year wont hurt, its still 10 times the national average.
 
no IMO hifi_killer means is that our delightful Mr Chee would oppose what the goverment does no matter what just because he's opposition to the PAP. Hence his stand towards this case. Also no sane Singaporean takes him seriously after his exploits at various shopping malls shouting "YOU NEED TO KNOW THE TRUTH" and trying to sell his book. :roll:
 
if they had remained in the private sector, they would have earned 3 times more than what they have earned in the govt.

but clearly money is not the issue here.

How reliable can a opposition source be? try getting PAS to talk about UMNO, getting Taiwan to talk about CCP. They'll most certainly make such national issue look like a disaster
 
no offense but bureaucracy is very different from the private sector, good politicians and administrators may not necessarily make good businessmen because first of all in the government everything is about paper-work, regulations, structure and more paper-work (not from me according to some gov dude who gave a speech) whereas the private sector seems to demand more flexibility
 
hifi_killer said:
if they had remained in the private sector,
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if money's not the issue then we would be issuing our bureaucrats such generous pay-checks we'll just pay them 40k like what the us president gets. so instead of getting corrupted leaders paid for by "unorthodox" sources, tax payers or "orthodox bribers" are the ones paying the bribes. no diff right?

opposition sources may not be reliable, but neither are the ruling sources, there's a reason why they're called politicians, because everything involves politics aka backstabbing, plotting, bashing each other to get into power.
 
It's hard to say whether if the present cabinet were to be in the pvt sector, they will surely get three times more. I think that is subjective. But clearly pay is not an appropriate yardstick to measure if one's love and devotion for the country. You don't measure the amount of love you have for your parent, wife, children or girl/boy friend by how much you can spend on them either. A person's pay commensurates with responsibility, not necessary in whether it's paper work or menial work. So there is a clear difference between a cabinet minister whose responsibility is strategic part of managing 3 million people and their livelihood, as against a university tutor whose responibility is to look after a certain period of some students. Both could share the same degree of devotion.
 
as written on TNP today, the thenPM, now SM Goh said, he never liked the word "politician"; he prefers the term "political leaders". :lol:


who cares. check out the 500GB harddisk featured on the paper today. omg. :)
 
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