Nguyen Tuong Van case heats up.

I like how pepper's post ended with couldn't he have asked from help from "xxxxx" ... Please, the guy's going to be hanged, don't insult his intelligence ... Im sure "i can get this money another way" must've gone thru nguyen's head a couple of times at least, before taking the risk of bringing the drugs into sg ...
 
-whoa- when I left this thread last night it was 4 pages. LOTS of arguments here...there are arguments for and against capital punishment and for whether Nguyen should receive a lighter sentence or be put to death. Ultimately it's your own decision, after all. It sounds rather weak posting this after such strong opinions have come out but I think it's a personal choice and it depends on your own mindset and values. It's so easy to demand justice served but what exactly is justice here?
 
detroit_red said:
I like how pepper's post ended with couldn't he have asked from help from "xxxxx" ... Please, the guy's going to be hanged, don't insult his intelligence ... Im sure "i can get this money another way" must've gone thru nguyen's head a couple of times at least, before taking the risk of bringing the drugs into sg ...
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Ya and he's had a long and serious process thinking about what he can do as well as discussing with friends, family, respected experts and organisations about his options before choosing his actions, as well as second and third opinions :roll:

Obviously he had other options other than to traffick drugs. Borrow lots of money from everyone, rob, murder, buy lottery and hope to win, go gamble at the casino........
 
Don't forget assembly line work or being a car mechanic or like one of the 213652642734 other jobs he could have done.

Or he could just have let his drug addict brother deal with his own shit. :lol:
 
actually , this is all hypothetical.

given singapore's track record in dealing with issues where national soveriginity and pride are at stake.

its an asian thing. we cant go about our dealings without our face and our reputation. a distinctly local asian flavour about our asian brand of politics is , unlike western democracies where politicians bury and twist the truth, here its either apparent or "it never happened".

e,g michael fay , the indonesian marines back in the 60s.

we wont compromise. its a given fact. president clinton supposedly asked in a personal capacity to SM goh for michael fay's pardon. what was he given ? the same go "jump in the lake response"

if the singaporean government does, it might be a under the table extradtition which the people of both countries might never ever come to know about.

this thread is actually rather aimless. even if the judge involved with the case were to read these posts, he would be expected in a professional capacity to act with his own discretion, to dispense justice where its a clear textbook case of him having broken the law and no apparent mitigating circumstances e.g he was coerced into doing it.
 
true, stars, but it's still good to see different viewpoints on the same subject. food for thought, at the very least.
 
It's aimless, and all of you are posting in it? Haha kidding. :lol:
Quite simply, the law will not be bent nor changed to accomodate anyone most of the time, no matter what the excuse or reason. As people have put, he knew the risks, he took the chance, he failed.

Note: The sentence for Fay was lightened after Clinton interverned, although he still got whipped on the ass. :lol:
 
Nguyen Tuong Van CLAIMED that he was only carrying the drugs in a bid to pay off debts owed on behalf his twin brother. I BELIEVE, he didn't want to bring drugs willingly.


Nguyen had no previous criminal record. In his police statement, he admitted that he knew he was transporting heroin but added that he had feared for the safety of his family and that prevented him from backing away from the assignment.

While in Cambodia to collect the drugs he met the suppliers and confessed to smoking heroin with them twice - although he says this was under duress from his heroin supplier.

Of course, I believe that for what he did, he should be punished. But why by hanging him? Did he do this WILLINGLY? Note that the suppliers made him smoked heroin. This shows that the suppliers weren't good people. He feared the safety of his family and so he did what the suppliers told him to.

Hanging him is not the way to show that he is wrong.

You can cane your children when he/she did something wrong. But do you cane him as hard as you would OR WITH COMPASSION? Do you cane your child until his skin tears and bleed. I believe most of you have compassion.

"To anyone who still believes that Nguyen Tuong Van deserves to die for drug trafficking, wake up to your hypocrisy." -Shayne Chester

I'm sorry if what I've said has invoked emotions to those who are opposing.
 
The purpose of hanging him is not to show that he is wrong.

It is to set an example.

It tells people: "You bring drugs in I don't care what story you tell me you are going to die."

The result of this is almost nobody ever brings drugs in, because there is 100% no chance of leniency.


Some countries prefer to do: "You bring drugs in ah, ok what's your story?"

The result of this is some people will try luck and bring drugs in because they know there is a chance they might get away.

Where you want the balance to lie between compassion vs safe streets will decide which country you enjoy living in.

"To anyone who still believes that Nguyen Tuong Van deserves to die for drug trafficking, wake up to your hypocrisy." -Shayne Chester
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I don't think this is the crux of the issue. In Singapore, our laws protect society over self. The important thing is, he brought in drugs. So "what message do we want to send out to people, for the greater good of society?" Not "What punishment does he deserve?"
A) We are compassionate, you may try your luck bringing in drugs.
B) We are stern as hell and barbaric, don't you ever try bringing in drugs.

No wrong no right, every country has their own policy. Does he deserve it? Maybe not, maybe yes. But hanging him sure as hell will keep a lot of potential drug dealers out of Singapore.
 
I feel seriously sorry for him. He only feared the safety for his family, thats why he did it. And he just happened to get caught in Singapore. He's 25 and he's gonna die.
 
theblueark said:
But hanging him sure as hell will keep a lot of potential drug dealers out of Singapore.
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No matter how many you stop, the effort cannot be dettered. You're not dealing with the problem, you're just trying to stomp it out quick. Which is never the solution in reality. So long as there are people who can't find food for themselves, leading them to do this (the poorer) , there shall be a need to do this, as a potential income generator.

If work was readily available, you think people would do such stuff like this?
 
Which is one of the main issues we're dealing with in this thread moo. We're discussing IF he had alternatives. If he did, that makes it his fault, case closed. If he didn't, then it shows us just how much the aussies care about their people. In that case, its the system's fault for failing him.
 
this reminds me of the line in queen's bohemian rhapsody :

Put a gun against his head,
Pulled my trigger,now he’s dead,
Mama,life had just begun,
But now I’ve gone and thrown it all away-
Mama ooo,
Didn’t mean to make you cry-
If I’m not back again this time tomorrow-
Carry on,carry on,as if nothing really matters-

Too late,my time has come,
Sends shivers down my spine-
Body’s aching all the time,
Goodbye everybody-I’ve got to go-
Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth-
Mama ooo- (any way the wind blows)
I don’t want to die,
I sometimes wish I’d never been born at all-
 
BlackMoo said:
No matter how many you stop, the effort cannot be dettered.
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+1.

Sending a "message" by executing or punishing a mule/trafficker isn't a really good solution. Why don't they hang him in public and broadcast it over the Internet, if we were all about sending messages?

Hmm... Remember the high society drug bust last year? The one which involved Sheikh Haikel and Cheryl Fox, but they were proven innocent and released. They were at the wrong place, wrong time.

"They were from the high earning upper class, and included brokers, businessmen and executives & an award-winning French chef."

"They zoom around town in flashy cars, eat at expensive restaurants and hang out at Boat Quay pubs. One of them, Briton Andrew Vale, a top financial broker who has been here for 10 years, drives a Rolls Royce."

http://www.littlespeck.com/content/lifestyle/CTrendsLifestyle-041017.htm
 
1. trafficking and consuming is different.

2. the root of the drug problem is not in Singapore

3. if you feel capital punishment is hash, what is alternative?

Singapore is like a small tub, surrounded by water. if we do not mend the little holes, it will flood and sink us.
 
BlackMoo said:
No matter how many you stop, the effort cannot be dettered.
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it cannot be deterred because
soft said:
the root of the drug problem is not in Singapore
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we're just putting out the fire, to prevent even more damage, while someone else beyond our reach is supplying the fuel. Its the least we could do.

the problem lies in outside singapore,what can singapore do? order pre-emptive strikes on the drug suppilers? As i said in my previous post, the cricticsim on our laws is used to divert attention from their domestic drug problem. Our laws aint broken, so why fix it?
 
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