Need input for Evo-like pups

[ShredCow]

Edit: Msg below is meant for shredcow

ok at least now I get your definition of harmonic overtones.

I was thinking of the complex mix of sounds when playing clean when harmonic overtones is mentioned.

You know some pickups are just like King's Vanilla (eg EMG, Lace) while others have that complexed, sweet, heady mix of flavour like Haagen Daz Vanilla (eg. Bill Lawrence, Anderson's) that lingers while the notes trail away.

That to me is harmonic overtones.

I'm pretty sure our friends here may have other definition of harmonic overtones.

Its just whats used on Dimarzio's description of the Evo pups.

I realised the way we (madwerewolfboy & me) spoke abt it made it soudn like the the pups made more harmonics, which isn't the case, its just how it picks up / amplifies harmonics.

 

[ciel]

SORRY!!! I couldn't resist

i like this evo better, and if your hearing squealing from it, it means ur losing grip hurhurhurhurhur

 

[gsonique]

no bro ciel ...its when you are startin to drift .....

Oh yes ...thats it "harmonic overtones" = drifting

 

[Ized]

MY EVO IS THE BEST LOL............. :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[ciel]

bro goose bro is tt from gran Turismo 5 i see????

 

[ShredCow]

You will along the way notice that most high output pups use ceramic magnets and this is because they help to regain lost highs when the pups are overwound for hotter outputs. ceramics however also have a thing which over time is described as ear fatiguing unnatural highs. Not necessarily bad but it's the characteristics of materials used in pup technology.

A certain pup maker swears that ceremics do not reproduce any tonal nuances of the guitar's wood.

In short, he thinks ceremics are un-musical. Very convinced is he too!

But I like. Alnico's and their "Sweeter", rounded top end, don't cut it for me... need harsh harsh one....

Then Randolf will say, "Eh, why you like to take it to extremes one?!"

Nay, no more X2N liao. Though. I keep thinking of getting one. Again.

 

[embryo]

You will along the way notice that most high output pups use ceramic magnets and this is because they help to regain lost highs when the pups are overwound for hotter outputs. ceramics however also have a thing which over time is described as ear fatiguing unnatural highs. Not necessarily bad but it's the characteristics of materials used in pup technology.

A certain pup maker swears that ceremics do not reproduce any tonal nuances of the guitar's wood.

In short, he thinks ceremics are un-musical. Very convinced is he too!

But I like. Alnico's and their "Sweeter", rounded top end, don't cut it for me... need harsh harsh one....

Then Randolf will say, "Eh, why you like to take it to extremes one?!"

Nay, no more X2N liao. Though. I keep thinking of getting one. Again.

Joker you Moo!

I never questioned your extremities la bro. If ever I usually address any misguided ideas of sure foolproof methods in achieving what you are trying to attain. Harsh harsh tones you say you are lukin for? Hmmm... ok try this;

Split your output from your last drive pedal or the preamp output into a mixing console and combine the amp's tone and direct sound to your desired degree of harshness. You may even want to consider overdriving the mixing console's pre gain to clip, shape to boost or cut the highs and super lows that any guitar amp stack or otherwise (actually bass and kyb amp can also...) will never be able to produce. Robert Fripp, Reeves Gabrel, Nine Inch Nails, Strapping Young Lad and Industrial Rock are some examples.

The Beatles were the first I think to do it with "Revolution" way back in 68.

Moo btw which pup maker made such claims abt ceramics? I do love the ceramic pups used on Gibson Les Paul Classic though. Nice cutting highs!

WIll this get a "screeeeeeech!" ?

 

[detroit_red]

The Evo is one ugly ass car.

 

[penta-tonic]

hes referring to chris kinman. kinman uses nothing but alnico 2 and 5.

 

[embryo]

hes referring to chris kinman. kinman uses nothing but alnico 2 and 5.

Shreddy Moo said; "A certain pup maker swears that ceremics do not reproduce any tonal nuances of the guitar's wood. "

Really? 8O So Kinman said that. Hmmm... so i guess in a way the way i interepret it it can also mean that it doesn't matter what woods or materials the guitar body may be made of the the ceramics will still sound great and make lousy guitars sound better!? Heee! Really?

let's go ceramics then!

ok i can hear it coming round the corner! "runs away..."

SCREEEEEEEECH!

 

[ShredCow]

Joker you Moo!

I never questioned your extremities la bro. If ever I usually address any misguided ideas of sure foolproof methods in achieving what you are trying to attain. Harsh harsh tones you say you are lukin for? Hmmm... ok try this;

Split your output from your last drive pedal or the preamp output into a mixing console and combine the amp's tone and direct sound to your desired degree of harshness. You may even want to consider overdriving the mixing console's pre gain to clip, shape to boost or cut the highs and super lows that any guitar amp stack or otherwise (actually bass and kyb amp can also...) will never be able to produce. Robert Fripp, Reeves Gabrel, Nine Inch Nails, Strapping Young Lad and Industrial Rock are some examples.

The Beatles were the first I think to do it with "Revolution" way back in 68.

Moo btw which pup maker made such claims abt ceramics? I do love the ceramic pups used on Gibson Les Paul Classic though. Nice cutting highs!

WIll this get a "screeeeeeech!" ?

hahaha. Its always fun to have conversations with you lah Randolf, most of the time you make me go home, sit down, rethink, replan, relisten to my setup.

Then I go buy more gear!!!!! 8O

I have no idea how to accomplish splitting my drive output and amp's out.... SO!, its google time. Or when u free-er I shall hop on by!

Eh... I can't recall offhand @ the moment, but i think its lindy fralins? I recal the website had a how-to-setup-single-coils-on-a-strat, and the pup maker only has alnico pups, ONLY alnico.

 

[Ized]

The Evo is one ugly ass car.

haha dude, u need a major opinion overhaul. hehehe :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[edder]

opinions are like Aholes.

are you saying that detroit red needs to overhaul his Ahole?????

bwaaaaaahhahahaahhahahahaha....

fuel efficient cars like KIA Picanto rules.

 

[MadWerewolfBoy]

Its just whats used on Dimarzio's description of the Evo pups.

I realised the way we (madwerewolfboy & me) spoke abt it made it soudn like the the pups made more harmonics, which isn't the case, its just how it picks up / amplifies harmonics.

oh i was think harmonic overtones as the harmonics produced when playing a normal note.

e.g. when i play a low A, its the dominent note but slight harmonics are also produced (2nd, 3rd, 4th orders etc) though their volume is comparitively much lower... i've seen a chart on this but i forgot where it is now... i'll put it up if i find it...

the combination of the sound produced by these overtones creats a very unique overall tone
certain pups can amplify these harmonics more than others and the result is a very punchy and "unclean" tone. i.e. a lot of other sounds other than the dominent note that was played...

and also, because of their properties, it is generallyl easier to pull of pinch harmonics on these pups than others...

evo, evo2 and viper are a few of these and their also the only ones i currently know of.

EDIT: Here's a website on guitar overtones: http://www.bsharp.org/physics/stuff/guitar.html

still trying to find the chart...

 

[Ized]

opinions are like Aholes.

are you saying that detroit red needs to overhaul his Ahole?????

bwaaaaaahhahahaahhahahahaha....

fuel efficient cars like KIA Picanto rules.

no dude but maybe eradicate it. hahahahah!! 8) :lol: