Need input for Evo-like pups

[MadWerewolfBoy]

hi guys, i need help with some questions here:

1) what are the differences between an Evolution pup and an Evo2 pup? apart from the obvious output differences. how're the harmonic response, EQ/Tone and such?

2) do u guys know of any other pickups which are evo-like in terms of harmonic response? looking for pups with highly uncontrolable harmonic response.

 

[ShredCow]

hey man,
I've had an Evo neck / Evo2 combi in my guitar before.

Lets just say, the HAS Sound Viper killed the Evo 2. Totally thrashed it.

The Evo2 sounded overly compressed, dull and lifeless, but the Viper was just as biting, great harmonics, had good dynamics, and it felt alive.

If you wanna try my Viper, gimme a pm, we'll work something out, and you'll be impressed.

Everyone who has gotten a Viper from Stan (@ HAS Sound) has been extremely pleased with it.

www.has-sound.com check the clips i did for it.

 

[jony]

MadWerewolfboy, get the Evo... Its seriously the pickup for almost uncontrollable harmonics.

 

[ShredCow]

Wouldn't uncontrollable harmonics belong to a microphonic pup?

 

[gsonique]

:smt017

 

[jony]

Wouldn't uncontrollable harmonics belong to a microphonic pup?

Yea... Thats true :lol:

Maybe he wants my cheap Strat copy ones.. heh. Quite monotone when they go into that territory though.

 

[gsonique]

now i get it ... Sonic Youth fellas

 

[KissMyAxe]

:smt017

Ya I got that too. So Chiiiim lol

 

[MadWerewolfBoy]

i've heard bout the viper vs evo thingy...

what is the main difference between the viper and the 1st ver of the evo pup? waht i've gathered so far is that the viper sounds more raw but does not produce as much harmonic overtones as the evo...

and comparing the price factor, which is more worth it?

 

[theblueark]

How you define value, isn't that in the mind of the buyer?

How you define better, isn't that in the ears of the listener?

How you define all, are those who say nothing not included?

How you define dull, isn't it the same as warm?

How you define bright, isn't it the same as piercing?

I becoming very philosophical lol. And I spelt it wrong on purpose.

cheeeeeeem

 

[gsonique]

taken your medication BA ??

 

[ShredCow]

How you define value, isn't that in the mind of the buyer?

How you define better, isn't that in the ears of the listener?

How you define all, are those who say nothing not included?

How you define dull, isn't it the same as warm?

How you define bright, isn't it the same as piercing?

I becoming very philosophical lol. And I spelt it wrong on purpose.

cheeeeeeem

Thats why you walk the talk and get people to come play/try it out.

 

[ShredCow]

i've heard bout the viper vs evo thingy...

what is the main difference between the viper and the 1st ver of the evo pup? waht i've gathered so far is that the viper sounds more raw but does not produce as much harmonic overtones as the evo...

and comparing the price factor, which is more worth it?

You've only heard abt the Viper vs Evo from me.

I only used the Evo2. Harmonic overtones, the Viper is just a notch lower to my ears.

Do you need THAT much harmonic overtones? I don't.

And one thing that helps with this harmonics thing, is the amount of compression in the Evo pup. And mind you, I'm using Evo2s, less compressed than Evo.

Take an Evo2, series, and wack hard at your strings. On clean, you'll find it hard to break glass. :wink:

Comparing the price factor, I just know how the pups affect my playing. Yeah, my playing. Not my tone. I like the ceremics, I like how they feel, how they seem to bite when I dig etc etc...
All my guitars (S520EX, RG7621, Yamaha RGXTT (sis' actually)) all have Vipers in them.

 

[edder]

can someone tell me what is "harmonic overtones".

 

[ShredCow]

Its how the pup picks up harmonics, how it "reproduces" the harmonics from the guitar.

On Evos, you go crazy with harmonics, you can get them effortlessly. Just pinch anywhere, harmonics will scream out.

 

[embryo]

Personally speaking, the reason why the evos sound compressed especially on solid state and clean channels of tube amps is because of the high output of the pup.

Harmonics from pickups? You can get harmonics from all pickups. The kind of harmonics I think discussed here is even order harmonics which is a by product of signal saturation as in distortion... the nice type, the fuzz type is also rich with harmonics more of the odd order type.

Seriously in my opinion the pickup with the most harmonics are true single coils...maybe it's because of the noise issue too ya hehehe... watever anyway humbuckers are great too but rely on heavy distortion to bring out those harmonics. There was a time when it was a general understood concept that the higher the pups output the better the tone of the drive which is kinda true but it all started with Seymour Duncan created a hotter humbucker for Jeff Beck who liked to plug straight into his Marshall for tube derived drive tones. This was way before tone and drive stacking strategies came into popular useage.

In short I'm sure the Evos or Evo2would work great. However, it's the drive pedal chain and the amp's gain and tone settings that need to be reassesed to experience the best of each new element added or changed in one's setup.

 

[edder]

Edit: Msg below is meant for shredcow

ok at least now I get your definition of harmonic overtones.

I was thinking of the complex mix of sounds when playing clean when harmonic overtones is mentioned.

You know some pickups are just like King's Vanilla (eg EMG, Lace) while others have that complexed, sweet, heady mix of flavour like Haagen Daz Vanilla (eg. Bill Lawrence, Anderson's) that lingers while the notes trail away.

That to me is harmonic overtones.

I'm pretty sure our friends here may have other definition of harmonic overtones.

 

[embryo]

Edit: Msg below is meant for shredcow

ok at least now I get your definition of harmonic overtones.

I was thinking of the complex mix of sounds when playing clean when harmonic overtones is mentioned.

You know some pickups are just like King's Vanilla (eg EMG, Lace) while others have that complexed, sweet, heady mix of flavour like Haagen Daz Vanilla (eg. Bill Lawrence, Anderson's) that lingers while the notes trail away.

That to me is harmonic overtones.

I'm pretty sure our friends here may have other definition of harmonic overtones.

Edder has brought up an interesting point stating about the harmonic content of clean signals from active pups like EMG' against BL or Andersons.

Actives and high output pups came about at a time when the classic sparkly tones of vintage spec single coils and PAFs were considered old school. The market was geared towards more distortion and sustain with less of the highs. Also most studios were always shaving off the highs and boosting mids during the mixdown sessions and preamp distortion became the staple sound of the new cool in distotion land with the avent of master volume knobs implemented in tube amps.

You will along the way notice that most high output pups use ceramic magnets and this is because they help to regain lost highs when the pups are overwound for hotter outputs. ceramics however also have a thing which over time is described as ear fatiguing unnatural highs. Not necessarily bad but it's the characteristics of materials used in pup technology.

 

[gsonique]

can someone tell me what is "harmonic overtones".

cannot tell .... :x ...



coz i oso donno

 

[jbarks]

SORRY!!! I couldn't resist