rottenramone
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we need averal's mental capacity here!
My Response To James.
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snuffleupagus
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majulah singapura?
Sorry bro snuffs, this is a serious thread. I now dericate this song to those that believe in free speech and x-dressing and being effiminate.
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rottenramone
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haha ok. i also share the view that whatever is said has been said.
james, the forum is growing at a very healthy pace under your watch. i hope its manageable for you so far, but sooner or later it'll surpass u if u continue at this pace. perhaps u shd consider a written code of conduct, something like bro wangdexian bro's. that way, the vision that u want for the forum shd dictate by these guidelines that you set?
roninriot
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On the contrary, I think if a discussion is generating this many hits and this many responses, then it is a discussion that is quite worth the while. It shows that there are two different sides and two points of view, and those elements always contribute to great discussions. And in all fairness, I think James and I have been very respectful to each other. There isn't any pie throwing, there aren't any dismissive words being thrown about either 
I mean, I think it's pretty cool that this is a serious discussion about something else other than music BUT a part of our society as well. But if you disagree, simply don't click Post and let it die
Simple! But I mean, if it's going on fine with no nonsense sprouting up, no fist fights being thrown, then letting it run its course is fine.
On a side note:
ARGH WINDOWS VISTA SUCKS BECAUSE I WAS JUST ABOUT TO CLICK POST WHEN IT AUTOMATICALLY INSTALLED 'UPDATES' I DIDN"T ASK FOR.
To James:
I agree with you that a lot can be done for the scene. I think a lot of people have been working towards this for years and all of us will continue to do so in years to come. It is why we keep coming back here, is it not? But I don't think this is directly related to the scene. I'm raised several issues in my previous postings, issues that you haven't directly addressed, but I leave the choice of responding to them accordingly directly in your hands because it is your choice after all
To Ken:
Thank you for your opinions and I truly appreciate them. In some ways you are right as well. So thanks for voicing it out.
To Vickmaniac,
Thank you as well for feeling that way about my role. For people who know me, they'd know that I'm constantly playing down my role within the scene. I do this because I know that there are a lot of people out there - gig organizers, promoters, sound people, bands, jamming studio attendants, etc - that do wayyyyyyyy more than I do. I just try to do my part really and I am happy to be just one cog in this awesome machine that everyone has created. Perhaps I am a bit more 'media prominent' than some, but it doesn't mean I am not entitled to an opinion at all, does it? If anything, I have expressed an opinion and I am sticking up for it because I believe in it - and if doing so encourages young people to stick up for what they believe to be right or wrong, then I don't think that's a bad thing. But please, do allow me to express myself once in a while.
Please read the previous thread thoroughly before you think it was a 'full blown assault' because I emphasize again, it wasn't. Yes, the topic title was designed in such a way that people would take the time to read it but it was only for others to read and have the chance to comment on. If you did read the thread WITHIN it from start to finish, you'd realize that I didn't encourage his ridicule in it at all.
To srxt
In all honesty, I do not think a topic title like "OMG WTF is this?!" will be strong enough drug to make someone's opinion change that dramatically from what it already was but it is certainly 'eye catching' enough to make them view, read, analyze, and comment based on their own reactions.
And the last time I checked, that was why everybody posts here in the first place - to have their post viewed, read and responded to? I mean, I don't think anyone will post something here if they didn't want it read. (Ironically, titling your topic title something like "PLEASE DO NOT READ!" would actually get more people to read it )
But yes I agree with you, perhaps I should have toned down the title of the topic a little bit, but I maintain that my contributive content within that topic was leaning towards pro-support for the kid.
Yes, it was me that brought up the controversial issue. But I wasn't the one who made such social issues controversial in the first place. So should I stand accuse for simply bringing it to light? Hey, if I had the power to shape shift what society thought to be controversial or not, I'd be as powerful as <insert controversial statement here!> . Heh! (that'd be a cool talent to have though, unfortunately I don't have it!)
__
interestingly enough,
It's funny how the people who DID openly ridicule the kid are suddenly very quiet and watching as people try to castrate me
lol
And on a final note,
This IS getting quite tiring.
James, I'd like to end this by saying that this has been an awesome debate. But I do not feel that I owe you an apology because I did raise several key and valid issues that were not addressed by you [located here http://soft.com.sg/forum/music-kopi-tiam/65488-my-response-james-7.html]. And I believe that I have held up my end of the debate pretty well with actual facts and a thorough explanation. Yes, actions cause a reaction and your action of closing down the thread after blaming me for it has spurred on my reaction. It isn't a hostile reaction though, it is simply defending my point of view.
That being said, I will always respect you James. I've always said SOFT is like a third home for me (right after my actual home and my chair in front of the XBOX 360
). And you know that for the most part, I've respected the rules and given my opinions on SOFT for many years. But this is an issue I cannot back down from. But that doesn't mean that we gotta get at each other's throats (I might get at your throat if you were wearing a 10 million dollar necklace though!). I still love you man, always will.
Cheers.
I mean, I think it's pretty cool that this is a serious discussion about something else other than music BUT a part of our society as well. But if you disagree, simply don't click Post and let it die Simple! But I mean, if it's going on fine with no nonsense sprouting up, no fist fights being thrown, then letting it run its course is fine.
On a side note:
ARGH WINDOWS VISTA SUCKS BECAUSE I WAS JUST ABOUT TO CLICK POST WHEN IT AUTOMATICALLY INSTALLED 'UPDATES' I DIDN"T ASK FOR.
To James:
I agree with you that a lot can be done for the scene. I think a lot of people have been working towards this for years and all of us will continue to do so in years to come. It is why we keep coming back here, is it not? But I don't think this is directly related to the scene. I'm raised several issues in my previous postings, issues that you haven't directly addressed, but I leave the choice of responding to them accordingly directly in your hands because it is your choice after all
To Ken:
Thank you for your opinions and I truly appreciate them. In some ways you are right as well. So thanks for voicing it out.
To Vickmaniac,
Thank you as well for feeling that way about my role. For people who know me, they'd know that I'm constantly playing down my role within the scene. I do this because I know that there are a lot of people out there - gig organizers, promoters, sound people, bands, jamming studio attendants, etc - that do wayyyyyyyy more than I do. I just try to do my part really and I am happy to be just one cog in this awesome machine that everyone has created. Perhaps I am a bit more 'media prominent' than some, but it doesn't mean I am not entitled to an opinion at all, does it? If anything, I have expressed an opinion and I am sticking up for it because I believe in it - and if doing so encourages young people to stick up for what they believe to be right or wrong, then I don't think that's a bad thing. But please, do allow me to express myself once in a while.
Please read the previous thread thoroughly before you think it was a 'full blown assault' because I emphasize again, it wasn't. Yes, the topic title was designed in such a way that people would take the time to read it but it was only for others to read and have the chance to comment on. If you did read the thread WITHIN it from start to finish, you'd realize that I didn't encourage his ridicule in it at all.
To srxt
In all honesty, I do not think a topic title like "OMG WTF is this?!" will be strong enough drug to make someone's opinion change that dramatically from what it already was but it is certainly 'eye catching' enough to make them view, read, analyze, and comment based on their own reactions.
And the last time I checked, that was why everybody posts here in the first place - to have their post viewed, read and responded to? I mean, I don't think anyone will post something here if they didn't want it read. (Ironically, titling your topic title something like "PLEASE DO NOT READ!" would actually get more people to read it )
But yes I agree with you, perhaps I should have toned down the title of the topic a little bit, but I maintain that my contributive content within that topic was leaning towards pro-support for the kid.
Yes, it was me that brought up the controversial issue. But I wasn't the one who made such social issues controversial in the first place. So should I stand accuse for simply bringing it to light? Hey, if I had the power to shape shift what society thought to be controversial or not, I'd be as powerful as <insert controversial statement here!> . Heh! (that'd be a cool talent to have though, unfortunately I don't have it!)
__
interestingly enough,
It's funny how the people who DID openly ridicule the kid are suddenly very quiet and watching as people try to castrate me
lolAnd on a final note,
This IS getting quite tiring.
James, I'd like to end this by saying that this has been an awesome debate. But I do not feel that I owe you an apology because I did raise several key and valid issues that were not addressed by you [located here http://soft.com.sg/forum/music-kopi-tiam/65488-my-response-james-7.html]. And I believe that I have held up my end of the debate pretty well with actual facts and a thorough explanation. Yes, actions cause a reaction and your action of closing down the thread after blaming me for it has spurred on my reaction. It isn't a hostile reaction though, it is simply defending my point of view.
That being said, I will always respect you James. I've always said SOFT is like a third home for me (right after my actual home and my chair in front of the XBOX 360
). And you know that for the most part, I've respected the rules and given my opinions on SOFT for many years. But this is an issue I cannot back down from. But that doesn't mean that we gotta get at each other's throats (I might get at your throat if you were wearing a 10 million dollar necklace though!). I still love you man, always will.Cheers.
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ridethetiger
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i am quite new to the scene,anyone care to share how old is Roninriot? i heard he was once in Ronin,
roninriot
Banned
Yes I was from Ronin. Oh no!!!!!! (covers face in shame)
After everything, I feel a bit sad that a post like this garnered more responses and views that then the one I posted about Wayne thunder's death anniversary a week or so back... I guess that's just how the cookie crumbles.... Controversy is the fuel for humankind's imagination.
After everything, I feel a bit sad that a post like this garnered more responses and views that then the one I posted about Wayne thunder's death anniversary a week or so back... I guess that's just how the cookie crumbles.... Controversy is the fuel for humankind's imagination.
Freeflowclass
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happy ending.
omg roninriot was from ronin?
i could have never tell. --'
omg roninriot was from ronin?
i could have never tell. --'
doggieshaman
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All vista users should dump vista and switch back to xp. I did :mrgreen:
and my comp acts like it's on major steroids now
doggieshaman
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haha it slows down the comp by A LOT. Like really, 1 GB of ram at least to running the vista interface alone... but it looks ok lah. Mac still looks sleeker..
the thing that really gets on my nerves about vista is on preloaded comps it actually locks something in ur bios setting that disallows u to get rid of it, which is a @!#!$@!@$!$ thing
the thing that really gets on my nerves about vista is on preloaded comps it actually locks something in ur bios setting that disallows u to get rid of it, which is a @!#!$@!@$!$ thing
theunknown
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okok maybe we can make another thread to talk about vista and the #@%$^%%#@#$%#$ about it?
Aki S. Ian
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WAH im finally awake and damn this thread sure got long.
i saw something funny though.
Originally Posted by Nike
Singapore does not have freedom of speech honestly, the only place you can say anything is at Hong Lim Park. Am I right?
Well truth be told, you cant say just about Anything at hock lim park.
you have to go to the nearby Police Post and register for a talk there. There you will have to state what your talking about. which they will keep in record. you will then have to sign a paper. you have to have a 'script' of what your going to talk about. and they will read through it. Funny part was how they will asked random 'security' question like whats the size of your underwear and all.
Dont ask me how i know, its the facts. i know and thats all that matters.
as subjected to
originally posted by roninriot
To the poster who said fashion isn't a part of music,
Just think grunge, hair metal, Jrock, emo, disco, dance, techno, boy bands, etc, even jazz.
my my, you could have atleast taken the iniative to remember my name.
well i didsay fashion is related and interwinded with music.
but still In my point of view fashion in general is not music.
do we really need to dress metal to be metal?
and about the part
"Interestingly enough,
It's funny how the people who DID openly ridicule the kid are suddenly very quiet and watching as people try to castrate me lol"
I do say i have to agree. they even had the guts to drop malicious comments on the poor kids blog. Yet they do not even dare to speak up here.
Some people just dont have to balls to carry the responisbilities of their action.
you on the other hand mr roninriot, Do.
*bows*
i saw something funny though.
Originally Posted by Nike
Singapore does not have freedom of speech honestly, the only place you can say anything is at Hong Lim Park. Am I right?
Well truth be told, you cant say just about Anything at hock lim park.
you have to go to the nearby Police Post and register for a talk there. There you will have to state what your talking about. which they will keep in record. you will then have to sign a paper. you have to have a 'script' of what your going to talk about. and they will read through it. Funny part was how they will asked random 'security' question like whats the size of your underwear and all.
Dont ask me how i know, its the facts. i know and thats all that matters.
as subjected to
originally posted by roninriot
To the poster who said fashion isn't a part of music,
Just think grunge, hair metal, Jrock, emo, disco, dance, techno, boy bands, etc, even jazz.
my my, you could have atleast taken the iniative to remember my name.
well i didsay fashion is related and interwinded with music.
but still In my point of view fashion in general is not music.
do we really need to dress metal to be metal?
and about the part
"Interestingly enough,
It's funny how the people who DID openly ridicule the kid are suddenly very quiet and watching as people try to castrate me lol"
I do say i have to agree. they even had the guts to drop malicious comments on the poor kids blog. Yet they do not even dare to speak up here.
Some people just dont have to balls to carry the responisbilities of their action.
you on the other hand mr roninriot, Do.
*bows*
EugeneSmasher
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I'm a hard rock / metal player but I look gay.
Couldn't help it :mrgreen:.
The thing is, this country's a republic. Its not democracy. But look at it this way, if everyone was allowed to say whatever they wanted, and our government does not act on it, we would probably have riots and conflicts and all that stuff. I'm very sure of these consequences because humans tend to generalize, and when they are very, very pissed or out of their mind, they say things they don't mean.
This country requires us to watch our words, and look at our country now. No riots, we have more peace than the majority of countries in the world. So, there are always pros and cons to everything. Being a republic has its cons, but it also has its pros. Just as democracy has its pros, and its cons.
* note that this is my point of view. I hope no one takes this personally, and that no one will get upset by it.
Couldn't help it :mrgreen:.
The thing is, this country's a republic. Its not democracy. But look at it this way, if everyone was allowed to say whatever they wanted, and our government does not act on it, we would probably have riots and conflicts and all that stuff. I'm very sure of these consequences because humans tend to generalize, and when they are very, very pissed or out of their mind, they say things they don't mean.
This country requires us to watch our words, and look at our country now. No riots, we have more peace than the majority of countries in the world. So, there are always pros and cons to everything. Being a republic has its cons, but it also has its pros. Just as democracy has its pros, and its cons.
* note that this is my point of view. I hope no one takes this personally, and that no one will get upset by it.
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