Muslims and alcohol
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in this day & age, people still scared of wife, ah?
dir
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I'm not here to criticise religion, nor a man for failing to live up to the expectations of his faith. I'm merely questioning the need to bring his religious convictions into question which just seems wildly irrelevant at this point of the discussion, however off-tangent it has got to. Should we 'out' other prominent Muslim figures who were drinkers too?
nys
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i was almost thrown into a malaysian lock up couple years back for wearing a mayhem shirt.
they say its illegal to be a black metal cause apparantly the black metals there is peeing on qurans and flushing it down the toilet.
i respect m'sia to impose "muslim law" on its muslim citizens as it is a muslim country..but c'mon uh..throwing someone in jail and then canning them is a lil bit too much isnt it?just fine them will do la..or send for counselling or religious class or sumthing
Be it you're muslim or not..from what i think they have the right to choose whether or not they want to drink.have pre-marital sex or whatever.Religion is individual.We cant force someone to do what they dont wanna do.It between the person involve and their god.Not every muslim here choose to be a muslim.There wasnt any option to choose from when they were born.There is now but for most..the muslim faith is already in them and its hard to let it go.
Whatever it is..throw me a few bottles of baron and lets all just get drunk
they say its illegal to be a black metal cause apparantly the black metals there is peeing on qurans and flushing it down the toilet.
i respect m'sia to impose "muslim law" on its muslim citizens as it is a muslim country..but c'mon uh..throwing someone in jail and then canning them is a lil bit too much isnt it?just fine them will do la..or send for counselling or religious class or sumthing
Be it you're muslim or not..from what i think they have the right to choose whether or not they want to drink.have pre-marital sex or whatever.Religion is individual.We cant force someone to do what they dont wanna do.It between the person involve and their god.Not every muslim here choose to be a muslim.There wasnt any option to choose from when they were born.There is now but for most..the muslim faith is already in them and its hard to let it go.
Whatever it is..throw me a few bottles of baron and lets all just get drunk
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ETERNALrocker
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Hmm,
does anyone know anything about Singaporean muslim caught drinking or consuming pork in Singapore?
does anyone know anything about Singaporean muslim caught drinking or consuming pork in Singapore?
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Murad IV was a the sultan of the Ottoman Empire from 1623 to 1640, and a particularly insidious one to boot. He's also a fairly grisly footnote in the history of coffee.
It is said that the Murad often walked the city in disguise in order to hear what the public were saying about him. On his first sojourn into the public, he stopped in a tavern and heard people singing and watched them getting drunk.
He then moved on to a coffeehouse and saw the customers engaging in conversations about the politics, the empire and the sorry state thereof. The coffee drinkers blamed the bad state of the government on the administration and Murad himself. The sultan, clearly concerned, went back to his palace to think upon what he had learned.
His decision? To ban coffee and coffeehouses under the Islamic rule that intoxicants were forbidden.
The cafes in Istanbul were closed and in some cases destroyed. If it was discovered that a person had been drinking coffee, they were beaten. If they were discovered to have consumed coffee a second time, they were sewn into a leather bag and tossed into the Bosphorus (also known as the Istanbul Strait). Murad's despisement of coffee drinkers (and smokers, which was also associated with coffeehouses) was so great that he was known to walk the streets of Istanbul with an executioner, and ordered the beheading of anyone he saw drinking coffee or smoking. It is reported that between 10,000 to 100,000 people were executed during this purge of coffee.
One of the end results of this? The coffee makers and cafe proprietors of Turkey moved out of the country and migrated to places such as Italy, France, Austria and Britain.
The punchline? Murad died at the age of 28. The cause? Alcohol poisoning. It seems that Murad was an alcoholic. Under his reign, Alcohol was technically forbidden, and many drinkers of alcohol were also executed, but Taverns were allowed to stay open while drinkers of coffee were put to death and the coffee industry was forced to immigrate.
It is said that the Murad often walked the city in disguise in order to hear what the public were saying about him. On his first sojourn into the public, he stopped in a tavern and heard people singing and watched them getting drunk.
He then moved on to a coffeehouse and saw the customers engaging in conversations about the politics, the empire and the sorry state thereof. The coffee drinkers blamed the bad state of the government on the administration and Murad himself. The sultan, clearly concerned, went back to his palace to think upon what he had learned.
His decision? To ban coffee and coffeehouses under the Islamic rule that intoxicants were forbidden.
The cafes in Istanbul were closed and in some cases destroyed. If it was discovered that a person had been drinking coffee, they were beaten. If they were discovered to have consumed coffee a second time, they were sewn into a leather bag and tossed into the Bosphorus (also known as the Istanbul Strait). Murad's despisement of coffee drinkers (and smokers, which was also associated with coffeehouses) was so great that he was known to walk the streets of Istanbul with an executioner, and ordered the beheading of anyone he saw drinking coffee or smoking. It is reported that between 10,000 to 100,000 people were executed during this purge of coffee.
One of the end results of this? The coffee makers and cafe proprietors of Turkey moved out of the country and migrated to places such as Italy, France, Austria and Britain.
The punchline? Murad died at the age of 28. The cause? Alcohol poisoning. It seems that Murad was an alcoholic. Under his reign, Alcohol was technically forbidden, and many drinkers of alcohol were also executed, but Taverns were allowed to stay open while drinkers of coffee were put to death and the coffee industry was forced to immigrate.
fgl
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FGL: TELL ME WHAT HECKLERKOCH SAID IS NOT TRUE!!!
Heckler has misunderstood - ...TOT i ASK HIM TO GO WITH U ALL ...
BUT bro .... I WILL BE THE ONE LEADING THE PARTY MAN :mrgreen:
fgl boleh!
fgl
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in this day & age, people still scared of wife, ah?
oooooo ... later we email your wife bang , see if any queen control or not :mrgreen:
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gutturalpiss
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"Religion is individual.We cant force someone to do what they dont wanna do.It between the person involve and their god."
Technically, that is not true in Islam. Submission is the root of the belief - and that means total submission. When you submit, you give up your rights. Once you decide to get out of the religion, the door is locked.
In the Emirates, one needs an "alcohol license" to purchase these beverages. You cannot enter clubs/pubs (mostly in/around hotels) if you are a muslim. Punishments are often unjustified for both men and women (who are legally more inclined to mistreatment). However, at the end of the day, Arabians and Emiratis are people who know how to party. Alcohol consumption is no big deal behind doors. Same goes for the muslims in the Indian subcontinent, and everywhere else including Malaysia.
The law has to show us that it is working. Every once in a while, we will hear of someone getting punished for something that does not deserve any punishment. The Michael Fay case here was and still is a perfect example of this political feature.
Technically, that is not true in Islam. Submission is the root of the belief - and that means total submission. When you submit, you give up your rights. Once you decide to get out of the religion, the door is locked.
In the Emirates, one needs an "alcohol license" to purchase these beverages. You cannot enter clubs/pubs (mostly in/around hotels) if you are a muslim. Punishments are often unjustified for both men and women (who are legally more inclined to mistreatment). However, at the end of the day, Arabians and Emiratis are people who know how to party. Alcohol consumption is no big deal behind doors. Same goes for the muslims in the Indian subcontinent, and everywhere else including Malaysia.
The law has to show us that it is working. Every once in a while, we will hear of someone getting punished for something that does not deserve any punishment. The Michael Fay case here was and still is a perfect example of this political feature.
ShadowsDiamond
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halal or not it doesnt matter
the thing count is whether u wan to drink or not...
its all in u
the thing count is whether u wan to drink or not...
its all in u
Dime
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I've seen people who consume alcohol before and they look kinda religous to me.the reason they gave for drinking was that they werent in the mother land so alcohol consumption is okay and that was in a plane.
I wonder how far has the religion evolved compared to the beginnings and modern age.
I wonder how far has the religion evolved compared to the beginnings and modern age.
EngelFaeuste
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How do you know there is a later? Better enjoy yourselves now!
I love Richard Dawkins, and he's British
How do you know there is a later? Better enjoy yourselves now!
I love Richard Dawkins, and he's British
Well that is if you believe in that sort of thing.
How do you know there is no later?
Ah but that is a whole other topic lol.
billthegeek
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Nice advertisement. Which company/person put that ad up?
Which company/person put that ad up?billthegeek
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One of the best post I've read so far.
This reminds us that very often religion is the creation of mankind's actions, and hence, subjected to the very same possibility human error.
One of the best post I've read so far.
This reminds us that very often religion is the creation of mankind's actions, and hence, subjected to the very same possibility human error.
dir
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That atheist ad is awesome, as I remember, there were some sort of online donation drive set up to fund the ads, and the results were tremendous. People of London were getting sick of all the religious imagery and evangelism in the media. If only such a thing could happen in Singapore.
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