East Side Guitars @ Excelsior Hotel basement
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Godspeed64
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I thought Irfan doesn't want to get involved?
He got lotsa crap from Kim and other people already..
He got lotsa crap from Kim and other people already..
edder
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he's getting all people involved to lodge a group report. though there's not much that can be done even with the report but thats the least we can do.
fuzztremecho
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bros
from a legal perspective
a group report to the relevant authorities would not do much but however individually lodging a report could help
go in a group and each individual lodge a report pertaining to his/her matters concerned.
usually if an individual lodged a report alone, most probably the report could be classified
as such
1. "for record purpose"
2. "for own civil action"
however when the reports are lodged individually and later collated,the reports would probably escalate to a case of cheating (if there is deposit involved be it cash or collateral)
for reports that are lodged individually (not going in a group), probability of such reports would be classified as non-seizable meaning that you have to have to go to Subordinate Courts,go to the crime registry and lodged a magistrate complaint whereby only then would the Police be directed to commence an investigation.
but if you go in a group and lodged a report individually,Police would identify that there is more than 1 victim and that there is an element of series case of ill-intent.
Classification for such cases would then fall under the perview of cheating under Sec 420 Cap 224 Penal Code
420. Whoever cheats and thereby dishonestly induces the person deceived to deliver any property to any person, or to make, alter or destroy the whole or any part of a valuable security, or anything which is signed or sealed, and which is capable of being converted into a valuable security, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 7 years, and shall also be liable to fine.
PEACE
from a legal perspective
a group report to the relevant authorities would not do much but however individually lodging a report could help
go in a group and each individual lodge a report pertaining to his/her matters concerned.
usually if an individual lodged a report alone, most probably the report could be classified
as such
1. "for record purpose"
2. "for own civil action"
however when the reports are lodged individually and later collated,the reports would probably escalate to a case of cheating (if there is deposit involved be it cash or collateral)
for reports that are lodged individually (not going in a group), probability of such reports would be classified as non-seizable meaning that you have to have to go to Subordinate Courts,go to the crime registry and lodged a magistrate complaint whereby only then would the Police be directed to commence an investigation.
but if you go in a group and lodged a report individually,Police would identify that there is more than 1 victim and that there is an element of series case of ill-intent.
Classification for such cases would then fall under the perview of cheating under Sec 420 Cap 224 Penal Code
420. Whoever cheats and thereby dishonestly induces the person deceived to deliver any property to any person, or to make, alter or destroy the whole or any part of a valuable security, or anything which is signed or sealed, and which is capable of being converted into a valuable security, shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 7 years, and shall also be liable to fine.
PEACE
fuzztremecho
New member
no prob bro
putting past experience to better use
putting past experience to better use
AzNjT
New member
So KIM is the Korean guy with Long hair.
and Irfran is the Malay guy with Really shrot hair ?
And now EastSide guitar has Closed down, Some people's deposits on Guitars are like stuck with him. or Guitars that were left there on sale Stuck with him??
Thats what i gather from this thread.
and Irfran is the Malay guy with Really shrot hair ?
And now EastSide guitar has Closed down, Some people's deposits on Guitars are like stuck with him. or Guitars that were left there on sale Stuck with him??
Thats what i gather from this thread.
HideX_X
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this seems familiar i remembered i went there a few times so irfan is the guy with short hair he seems very nice... so he is kim seen him b4 but very seldom didnt know he was a bugger so big...
bro's if u really ask me how to solve this shit find the company owner u can sue him cause there was deposits! and also u need proof which are the receipts if there isnt any dont deposit or anything i always ask for a receipt and check about the store i have been there a fwe times but didnt know them well i met kim b4 face to face he was liek a dull guy very hard to say but irfan was quite active when i met him nvm lets get to the point lodging a report is easy but with what proof u think u can make it? go settle with the company owner its the best kill him if u need to lol jk jk
bro's if u really ask me how to solve this shit find the company owner u can sue him cause there was deposits! and also u need proof which are the receipts if there isnt any dont deposit or anything i always ask for a receipt and check about the store i have been there a fwe times but didnt know them well i met kim b4 face to face he was liek a dull guy very hard to say but irfan was quite active when i met him nvm lets get to the point lodging a report is easy but with what proof u think u can make it? go settle with the company owner its the best kill him if u need to lol jk jk
JMguitars
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Sorry, just off-topic slightly.
Bentley Music received the distributorship for Mesa products earlier this year. The distributorship covers sales in both Singapore & Malaysia. US dealers of Mesa are required by dealer terms to adhere to pricing based on the Pro Net Price of Mesa. This requirement does not extend to overseas dealers. Bentley's rate is effectively 2x the Pro Net pricing.
I can't say much more other than there are various ways to get a Mesa without going through Bentley.
Rossie
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Need to bargain with the people at Bentley... You may need to know someone on the inside though; bought some stuff from them at a good price, and the service was good too...
That was my experience with them...
PS: I had some crappy experience with them too while asking for a quote on an EBMM...
That was my experience with them...
PS: I had some crappy experience with them too while asking for a quote on an EBMM...
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JMguitars
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Well, we told them we wanted it at Pro Net pricing which was what it would retail at in the US but the discounts they gave were never even near the figure .. and this was for a dealer sized order.
I've been in the amp business before so I have a feel for the dealer/distributor markups. There are profit margin and there are obscene profit margins - I have my own thoughts which category Bentley's pricing fits in.
Mesa's deals are reviewed yearly so we'll see what happens next year though Singapore/Malaysia might be an exception because Mesa recognises the lower sales volumes here compared to US, Europe, Japan.
All said and done, we've been getting our Mesa shopping done elsewhere.
I've been in the amp business before so I have a feel for the dealer/distributor markups. There are profit margin and there are obscene profit margins - I have my own thoughts which category Bentley's pricing fits in.
Mesa's deals are reviewed yearly so we'll see what happens next year though Singapore/Malaysia might be an exception because Mesa recognises the lower sales volumes here compared to US, Europe, Japan.
All said and done, we've been getting our Mesa shopping done elsewhere.
fuzztremecho
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bro
be very careful in the content of your post
it may seem like a joke to you but others might not
we are talking about gain and loss so others without a rational mind might do likewise
this is just a friendly advise from a legal sense
PEACE
fuzztremecho
New member
ah bro dj
this is just a lesson i learnt from my past exp
stupidity is not an excuse in court,neither age nor immaturity
but the nevertheless...can try how prison food like for a change
hehehehe
this is just a lesson i learnt from my past exp
stupidity is not an excuse in court,neither age nor immaturity
but the nevertheless...can try how prison food like for a change
hehehehe
Ok. Much awaited. You can see my nick. Yes, by now you should know who I am. I don't have short hair btw, i'm Bald. And to the people out there who had the nerve to post all kinds of stuff without proper knowledge of the whole situation, ....... thanks. (Stings deep) My name is Irfan, and 3 months ago, I used to work my ass off Everyday at this place called East Side Guitar. Story.... Truth.... Revelation....
I went to a fren(David music theme) to ask for a part time job in a music-oriented environment... He told me his place was full, but he got to know this guy who just opened up a guitar store around the corner. (KIM). So i went there. Somehow... I spoke to him in ENGLISH(half of our customers have problem conversing with KIM)....told him I would like to work, he told me the shop was small and it was basically and import/export business...couldn't afford to pay much. I told him i understood that he just started the business, so i told him to cover my transport expenses at least and that we would agree to a price along the way as business got better. So he agreed at $50 per month. (Yes, $50) He told me he had another branch in Korea(MusicFinance) and had partners in USA and Japan. He spoke a lot... yada yada yada...(boasts a lot).
I helped him 6 days weekly which became 7 days/week after he complained that he needed my help to converse with customers. He told me he migrated to singapore with his wife and son, caused he liked it when he came down for his honeymoon....(why on earth singapore of all places... i dont know) and he basically applied for his visa, PR... yada yada yada(the first big mistake i made...... I TRUSTED THE BIATCH) I helped him re-decorate his shop, did displays, did a website that was never released because he kept changing ideas, business related shit. I practically became the working dog. a month passed by , 2 months passed by... we had a strong flow of customers, rather a steady flow of sales. But he kept quiet about my pay. His wife didn't even know shit about what he was doing there.
I watched him, his actions... Sly, cunning, ignorant, snobbinsh, embezzling, and too NICE... BIG LIAR. He told me that his personal documentations took too long to processm and that it would be faster if a local registered the company( Second big mistake I made... i TRUSTED HIM... yet again) He somehow became nicer and agreed to give me a 'good' salary of $300 monthly. Me working 7 days a week from 11am to 11pm daily. 'good' salary.. right. Along the way i helped him with setting up the studio, did rearrangements, administrative, customer service, marketing promoting, Shop Cleaner, Lunch Purchaser(he never gets up from his ass unless it benefits him)... Then i realised he used money from selling consignment items to go for his POSH OUTINGS/DINNER with his wife. I blew up at him saying that it was not the right way to handle things but he retaliated and kept saying... , 'Fun, Don't worry... trust me... trust me....'...'Sit and Smoke...' (Crazy.....) he's the boss, and he's the one who handled all money matters... So I just SHUT myself up. Second Big mistake he makes. Orders always arrive delayed, and i mean THE MOTHER of all delays.... He keep giving me false info that he kept telling me to tell the customers...(even I, his worker..couldn't get an accurate timing of shipment)...
Payment to suppliers were always late, and he always pushed me to talk to them... and I never could have answered to them. Ebenex, Soundwaves, UPS, Guitar Connection Om Labs, Blue Ark. I finally blew my top and told him, specifically that he has to settle finance matters with any supplier in any case, before he took any products from them. And he screwed up... he took 15 Marshall mini stacks from Davis which he told me he already payed for. And he started to export them. Of course I helped him. (he kept telling me story A and carried out story B), until.
One Fine Day, he was so busy that most of the day he spent outside the office, claiming that he had to do some bank transfers and went around other areas other than his own shop. That's went Davis told me to ask KIM to settle the payment for the Mini Stacks. He kept coming to the shop... and I HAD TO ANSWER ON BEHALF OF THE IDIOT.... my blood boiled, case closed. He came back to the shop. I started to give him hell, I came late for work... finally came to work and walked around to other places, gave him a cold shoulder whenever I could and tried to avoid conversations.
Every three months he had to GET OUT of Singapore because his visa expired... I followed him to batam on two occasions, with his wife and son, because he didnt want to waste too much money goin to other countries and secondly, he needed me there to speak their mother language. I got my uncle in batam to arrange for accomodation and transport for both the trips, but Kim took advantage of the situation and never reimbursted my uncle 'enough financially' for his time given. I pulled the plug, refused to go on future 'outings'. Things never changed when we got back. He acted like there WAS NEVER ANYTHING WRONG.
Along the way, people kept coming, traded instruments, ordered products that took ages to take progress, and there was even an issue of a Mesa preamp that I had to personally send to the customers home because it took too damn long to arrive. He threw in 2 tubes free..... then I found out that the unit wasn't in perfect condition. The customer brought it back to us, kim sent it to few places to TRIED to get it fixed but failed. Finally he shipped it out, and God knows where it is now.
By that time. I had already had enough of him, I quit. I took back all my stuff from the shop, i had a few guitars, an amp i used to teach Beginner Guitar Lessons there, all my tools and I even managed to confiscate his extra handphone which had his overseas contacts. I was still expecting my salary. Up to date, he had an Outstanding with a supplier (5 digit amount.. that's where he had to close down the studio and release/sell the equipment), he still has an outstanding with UPS worth 6K plus(in the company's name) by this time might be much much more, and outstanding with at least 4 more customers totalling amount ard 5 digit figure.
For your info, East Side Guitar Pte Ltd is in my Direct name, Somehow I am the Local and only Director and there is no mention of a KIM DONG JU anywhere in it. I'm currently working in a LAN shop in Parklane. weekdays and i'm playing Oldies/evergreen at night at this small clubhouse in Yio Chu Kang on wed/fri to make ends meet. Thanks to KIM, i now live in fear, desperation and hope is Thinning.
If anyone were to take legal action, I'm as Good as Bankrupt. Anyone needs to know more details/throw criticisms? Call Me at 81971845. I have never met anyone like Kim who has the Heart to do what he did, and if anything were to happen to me, I will never forgive him. I would dedicate my life to ruining him and his so called family. Yes, I'm a fool by being conned by the best of artists... I have only copies of his passport and contacts of people in korea and US who knows him. That is what I have to offer. It would ne nice if someone could give me legal advice that I so dearly need.
I went to a fren(David music theme) to ask for a part time job in a music-oriented environment... He told me his place was full, but he got to know this guy who just opened up a guitar store around the corner. (KIM). So i went there. Somehow... I spoke to him in ENGLISH(half of our customers have problem conversing with KIM)....told him I would like to work, he told me the shop was small and it was basically and import/export business...couldn't afford to pay much. I told him i understood that he just started the business, so i told him to cover my transport expenses at least and that we would agree to a price along the way as business got better. So he agreed at $50 per month. (Yes, $50) He told me he had another branch in Korea(MusicFinance) and had partners in USA and Japan. He spoke a lot... yada yada yada...(boasts a lot).
I helped him 6 days weekly which became 7 days/week after he complained that he needed my help to converse with customers. He told me he migrated to singapore with his wife and son, caused he liked it when he came down for his honeymoon....(why on earth singapore of all places... i dont know) and he basically applied for his visa, PR... yada yada yada(the first big mistake i made...... I TRUSTED THE BIATCH) I helped him re-decorate his shop, did displays, did a website that was never released because he kept changing ideas, business related shit. I practically became the working dog. a month passed by , 2 months passed by... we had a strong flow of customers, rather a steady flow of sales. But he kept quiet about my pay. His wife didn't even know shit about what he was doing there.
I watched him, his actions... Sly, cunning, ignorant, snobbinsh, embezzling, and too NICE... BIG LIAR. He told me that his personal documentations took too long to processm and that it would be faster if a local registered the company( Second big mistake I made... i TRUSTED HIM... yet again) He somehow became nicer and agreed to give me a 'good' salary of $300 monthly. Me working 7 days a week from 11am to 11pm daily. 'good' salary.. right. Along the way i helped him with setting up the studio, did rearrangements, administrative, customer service, marketing promoting, Shop Cleaner, Lunch Purchaser(he never gets up from his ass unless it benefits him)... Then i realised he used money from selling consignment items to go for his POSH OUTINGS/DINNER with his wife. I blew up at him saying that it was not the right way to handle things but he retaliated and kept saying... , 'Fun, Don't worry... trust me... trust me....'...'Sit and Smoke...' (Crazy.....) he's the boss, and he's the one who handled all money matters... So I just SHUT myself up. Second Big mistake he makes. Orders always arrive delayed, and i mean THE MOTHER of all delays.... He keep giving me false info that he kept telling me to tell the customers...(even I, his worker..couldn't get an accurate timing of shipment)...
Payment to suppliers were always late, and he always pushed me to talk to them... and I never could have answered to them. Ebenex, Soundwaves, UPS, Guitar Connection Om Labs, Blue Ark. I finally blew my top and told him, specifically that he has to settle finance matters with any supplier in any case, before he took any products from them. And he screwed up... he took 15 Marshall mini stacks from Davis which he told me he already payed for. And he started to export them. Of course I helped him. (he kept telling me story A and carried out story B), until.
One Fine Day, he was so busy that most of the day he spent outside the office, claiming that he had to do some bank transfers and went around other areas other than his own shop. That's went Davis told me to ask KIM to settle the payment for the Mini Stacks. He kept coming to the shop... and I HAD TO ANSWER ON BEHALF OF THE IDIOT.... my blood boiled, case closed. He came back to the shop. I started to give him hell, I came late for work... finally came to work and walked around to other places, gave him a cold shoulder whenever I could and tried to avoid conversations.
Every three months he had to GET OUT of Singapore because his visa expired... I followed him to batam on two occasions, with his wife and son, because he didnt want to waste too much money goin to other countries and secondly, he needed me there to speak their mother language. I got my uncle in batam to arrange for accomodation and transport for both the trips, but Kim took advantage of the situation and never reimbursted my uncle 'enough financially' for his time given. I pulled the plug, refused to go on future 'outings'. Things never changed when we got back. He acted like there WAS NEVER ANYTHING WRONG.
Along the way, people kept coming, traded instruments, ordered products that took ages to take progress, and there was even an issue of a Mesa preamp that I had to personally send to the customers home because it took too damn long to arrive. He threw in 2 tubes free..... then I found out that the unit wasn't in perfect condition. The customer brought it back to us, kim sent it to few places to TRIED to get it fixed but failed. Finally he shipped it out, and God knows where it is now.
By that time. I had already had enough of him, I quit. I took back all my stuff from the shop, i had a few guitars, an amp i used to teach Beginner Guitar Lessons there, all my tools and I even managed to confiscate his extra handphone which had his overseas contacts. I was still expecting my salary. Up to date, he had an Outstanding with a supplier (5 digit amount.. that's where he had to close down the studio and release/sell the equipment), he still has an outstanding with UPS worth 6K plus(in the company's name) by this time might be much much more, and outstanding with at least 4 more customers totalling amount ard 5 digit figure.
For your info, East Side Guitar Pte Ltd is in my Direct name, Somehow I am the Local and only Director and there is no mention of a KIM DONG JU anywhere in it. I'm currently working in a LAN shop in Parklane. weekdays and i'm playing Oldies/evergreen at night at this small clubhouse in Yio Chu Kang on wed/fri to make ends meet. Thanks to KIM, i now live in fear, desperation and hope is Thinning.
If anyone were to take legal action, I'm as Good as Bankrupt. Anyone needs to know more details/throw criticisms? Call Me at 81971845. I have never met anyone like Kim who has the Heart to do what he did, and if anything were to happen to me, I will never forgive him. I would dedicate my life to ruining him and his so called family. Yes, I'm a fool by being conned by the best of artists... I have only copies of his passport and contacts of people in korea and US who knows him. That is what I have to offer. It would ne nice if someone could give me legal advice that I so dearly need.
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