double stroke accents
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i've got a video here by dave weckl, http://drummerworld.com/Clinic/Dave_Weckl_double.html
hes a crazy drummer by the way...but not as crazy as thomas lang. they are to reason i converted to playing traditional grip on the left hand.
Go watch it, it teaches about accenting the second note..LOL, guess i can call tt inverted doubles.
about the moeller, vicfirth used to have a video on it...but its deleted...guess not enough money to buy better servers.
triplets are not moellers, it compromises of three strokes.
for match grip,
u start from a high position, hit the snare, let it bounce up
then apply a light force on the back of the stick(using your 2nd, 3rd and 4th finger) just enough to make it hit right back to the snare (like hitting a basketball).
then the third step is magic. its hard to explain. take a stick, hold it above the snare, and loosen your wrist, the stick hits the snare!! tts magic, and at the same time lifting up your hand and get ready for step one.
and everything repeats itself.
if ya are confused with my B4 english, u can msg me!!
hey, happy drumming!!
hes a crazy drummer by the way...but not as crazy as thomas lang. they are to reason i converted to playing traditional grip on the left hand.
Go watch it, it teaches about accenting the second note..LOL, guess i can call tt inverted doubles.
about the moeller, vicfirth used to have a video on it...but its deleted...guess not enough money to buy better servers.
triplets are not moellers, it compromises of three strokes.
for match grip,
u start from a high position, hit the snare, let it bounce up
then apply a light force on the back of the stick(using your 2nd, 3rd and 4th finger) just enough to make it hit right back to the snare (like hitting a basketball).
then the third step is magic. its hard to explain. take a stick, hold it above the snare, and loosen your wrist, the stick hits the snare!! tts magic, and at the same time lifting up your hand and get ready for step one.
and everything repeats itself.
if ya are confused with my B4 english, u can msg me!!
hey, happy drumming!!
drummar-buah
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joshie said:
OOPS SORRY!! HAHA.
drummar-buah
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okay i just gotta point out something. (which i'm not sure if i'm right myself)
the moeller technique DOES NOT compromise of 3 strokes.
it is just a technique to help u play fast triplets individually on each hand.
this technique was first invented so that u can play with more speed and volume, but with lesser strength, therefore enhancing your performance.
if i'm not wrong, it was first seen used by a rock drummer who could play real loud but with minimal strength. (although he looked like he was using alot of strength while doing it. well, it's the concept that's the beef of it, not the outlook)
you can use moeller for all kinds of strokes : singles, doubles, triples, and even quadruples (as shown in the jojo mayer video)
the moeller techinque is commonly thought of as a technique for 3stroke roll. maybe that's because many jazz drummers find it extremly useful when it comes to fast bebop on the ride cymbal and snare drum and therefore, their instructional videos are based on the triplets which they so commonly use. until the other drummers have got so accustomed to using moeller for 3stroke roll that they themselves use it in their own instructional videos.
this is why i strongly encourage watching the Jojo Mayer video. it clearly shows that the moeller technique isn't all about triplets.
correct me if any of these are wrong.
oh yah, mix, it's very subjective to say that one drummer is not as crazy as another. mind your words or u may get flamed!! 8)
the moeller technique DOES NOT compromise of 3 strokes.
it is just a technique to help u play fast triplets individually on each hand.
this technique was first invented so that u can play with more speed and volume, but with lesser strength, therefore enhancing your performance.
if i'm not wrong, it was first seen used by a rock drummer who could play real loud but with minimal strength. (although he looked like he was using alot of strength while doing it. well, it's the concept that's the beef of it, not the outlook)
you can use moeller for all kinds of strokes : singles, doubles, triples, and even quadruples (as shown in the jojo mayer video)
the moeller techinque is commonly thought of as a technique for 3stroke roll. maybe that's because many jazz drummers find it extremly useful when it comes to fast bebop on the ride cymbal and snare drum and therefore, their instructional videos are based on the triplets which they so commonly use. until the other drummers have got so accustomed to using moeller for 3stroke roll that they themselves use it in their own instructional videos.
this is why i strongly encourage watching the Jojo Mayer video. it clearly shows that the moeller technique isn't all about triplets.
correct me if any of these are wrong.
oh yah, mix, it's very subjective to say that one drummer is not as crazy as another. mind your words or u may get flamed!! 8)
drummar-buah
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oh ok cool. haha
but anyway the point of my post is, moeller isn't just for triplets. :lol:
but anyway the point of my post is, moeller isn't just for triplets. :lol:
YES drummer-buah. after watching the jojo mayer video i realised my view on the moeller was wrong. it's just a fluid wave motion with your hand when playing multiple strokes. but they always explain it in triplets so maybe this needs to be clarified. i only realised really late too haha.
mix, i've seen the dave weckl video too. kinda doesn't talk about second note accents haha. just tells you how not to make your doubles be so choked up. thomas lang does, but not much in-depth stuff on second-note accents. but yeah i agree totally. i changed to traditional too cos of thomas lang. frankly at first i thought it looked quite stupid. but when i saw what the heck they could do, actually it looks quite cool.
