double stroke accents

[joshie]

hey since your on this topic. does the double stroke really require a lose bounce before a grip. as in it bounces off followed by the fingers gripping it for another downward hit. is it supposed to get to a point where it feels as though both strokes are maintained by the fingers? as in its just the finger pulling up action. it does not have the feel whereby your letting go before gripping again.

 

[joshie]

oh btw what happened to Jojo Mayor? cant find him on the drummerworld search.

 

[joshie]

dude! its Mayer.

 

[daltonsim]

doubles have no bounces. it's all motions. bounces are bounces. doubles are to train speed rolls without boucing. (which is kinda cheating if you get where i'm coming from) as for fingers im not too sure too. i practise my doubles accenting the second note, so it sounds like ta TA ta TA ta TA ta TA. but now i'm at 152, and i'm still on wrists. i dunno when it's gonna go till i have to use fingers (in fact after 144 i'm allowed already) and i still dunno how to use fingers to accent the second note. i mean, what, hit your fingers harder on the second stroke? for wrist it's definite because i mean for accents you can significantly do a harder wrist motion. but fingers? smaller muscles, and i have no idea. it's easy to use fingers for a first-stroke-accent, but then that's not the way to do it.

 

[joshie]

oh.. right. haha i guess i gotta train harder on my fingers! yea keep practicing wrist. i feel the wrist is soo much more important then trying to use the fingers to make it go faster.

 

[daltonsim]

you got that right. maybe i could stay on wrists and still go to 200+ haha.

 

[joshie]

thats possible. i know someone who can do that.

 

[joshie]

wait hold the phone there. if your gonna do double, i suggest you learn the actual technique (the one with fingers involved). what i meant was keep training your wrist to be stronger like doing rudiments e.g. RRLL , RLRR...
i meant that it is very important to keep doing exercises involving the wrist but regarding the double strokes, dont go too fast witht he wrist, learn the actual way.

 

[TequilaSunrise]

Slightly off topic, I find that having a good snare skin helps with playing fingers because the rebound of the stick on the first stroke will auto follow up for the second. However, I can't seem to do this 'trick' at home with my own snare drum w/ stock skins.

Anyone can recommend some tips to improving reboundability (new word?) or maybe some nice skins to get said effect. Full wrist motions a bit tiring. =X

 

[joshie]

haha i dont have much knowledge of skins since my set isnt acoustic but all i have to say is, dont depend on the skin! should be able to play on every skin and get a nice rebound.

 

[daltonsim]

i know. just that i can't kinda get the second-note-accents when i use fingers.

 

[joshie]

oh to make the sound even? well try practicing at a slower tempo!

 

[joshie]

i think ur a little confused.
triplets or rather triple strokes are just another form of rudiments, just like your double strokes and paradiddles.

and u can use your Moeller technique for watever u wanna play. check out www.drummerworld.com and look for Jojo Mayor. his moeller technique is superb, maybe u could learn and imitate from his video.

while your on that check out Derrick Pope's videos. He explains the moeller technique in detail also along with single stroke roll and some bass drum techniques.

 

[daltonsim]

no no no what are you talking about making the strokes even? the second-note-accents. when you play doubles you always accent the second note right? that's easy with wrist but i have no idea how to accent the second note when i go to fingers. or is it that when it comes to fingers i dont have to accent the second note? but that doesn't make sense either.

yeah i understand the moeller already. got some stuff from JoJo Mayer and Tony Royster Jr.

 

[joshie]

sorry im a bit lost, haha.

 

[daltonsim]

haha nevermind. i'll think about it when i get there.

 

[joshie]

hmm i watched this video before. its of dave weckl introducing a new way of doing the double strokes. pretty weird and hard but he claims that it relaxes the wrist so that it wont be soo tense.

http://www.drummerworld.com/Clinic/Dave_Weckl_double.html

 

[daltonsim]

saw that too. that's different kinda. he doesn't talk about the second note accents, which i still can't understand some parts of. oh well.

 

[joshie]

k waitwait so you want the second one to be louder than the first? or are you doing that to make the sound even?

 

[Yoshiki]

doubles have no bounces. it's all motions. bounces are bounces. doubles are to train speed rolls without boucing. (which is kinda cheating if you get where i'm coming from)

You've just saved me from a life-long mistake! I attempted to learn how to play diddles in a 'bouncing' manner and man, its so hard that I lost heart in it... Thanks for correcting my mistakes, though unintentionally. Gonna go practice my diddles right away!