beware of fake behringers
- Thread starter phantom_killer
- Start date
PatheinRaindropMoe
New member
heh, will the student that take guitar lessons from you adopt certain pattern in regards to gear and life in general?
PatheinRaindropMoe
New member
hehe, ok, thats cool.
i was just trying to cut down on people who might jump in to hamtam the clever people round
i was just trying to cut down on people who might jump in to hamtam the clever people round
PatheinRaindropMoe
New member
heh,ok, someone sorta "bump" out that old thread liao. Pretty logical.
http://soft.com.sg/forum/showthread.php?t=8119&page=6
http://soft.com.sg/forum/showthread.php?t=8119&page=6
phantom_killer
New member
i guess almost everyone missed the point i was trying to make. well guess that says it best.
PatheinRaindropMoe
New member
heh, so whats the point you wanna bring across. Lets trace back like tracing circuit schematic like that
1) You mean dan know his stuff, thus saying the rest are fake?
2) you mean dan didnt know his stuff coz he says without serial number is fake?
3) you mean gotta beware of behringer pedals with no serial number tag?
4) you mean parallel import from external party, being sold here locally never went thru QC at behringer factory?
5) you mean parallel import from external party, being sold here locally never went thru QC at behringer factory, thus got lotsa bad review?
6) you mean most behringer sold else where, other country, are parallel import from external party, being sold there, never went thru QC at behringer factory, thus got bad review?
which one? Must be clear, if not another 3 pages gone, we still dont get the idea
1) You mean dan know his stuff, thus saying the rest are fake?
2) you mean dan didnt know his stuff coz he says without serial number is fake?
3) you mean gotta beware of behringer pedals with no serial number tag?
4) you mean parallel import from external party, being sold here locally never went thru QC at behringer factory?
5) you mean parallel import from external party, being sold here locally never went thru QC at behringer factory, thus got lotsa bad review?
6) you mean most behringer sold else where, other country, are parallel import from external party, being sold there, never went thru QC at behringer factory, thus got bad review?
which one? Must be clear, if not another 3 pages gone, we still dont get the idea
Ehh since when was dan the man the distributor for behringer productss?!!!
According to the official website the distributor here is pro music audio. Or is that dan's shop?
Also arent u implying that behringer dosen't do qc at all if it sends its products to other distributers overseas? Duuhhhhhhh........
Ive learnt sometimes the hard way not to believe everything the shopkeeper says. Sometimes not because the shop keeper has bad intentions but also out of ignorance. I dont want to name names or describe incidences here, but sometimes thats the way it is.
Use your own discretion
According to the official website the distributor here is pro music audio. Or is that dan's shop?
Also arent u implying that behringer dosen't do qc at all if it sends its products to other distributers overseas? Duuhhhhhhh........
Ive learnt sometimes the hard way not to believe everything the shopkeeper says. Sometimes not because the shop keeper has bad intentions but also out of ignorance. I dont want to name names or describe incidences here, but sometimes thats the way it is.
Use your own discretion
edder
New member
no matter how dodgy behringer is.... i'm pretty sure the have a QC system that covers their products released to their dealers.
Parallel import = Goods imported into the country via dealers from the rest of the world.
These dealers are buying from the manufacturers and resell it to overseas at a slim margin. Many reasons of doing this. Economy of scale. These dealers can buy MORE and enjoy MORE discount. They can also save on shipping as shipping cost is amortised all round for the range of products. Its a win win for all other than the local appointed dealer.
Parallel import = No QC? Load of BULL other than these parallel import being factory seconds and even that they have some minimal QC.
Parallel import = No manufacturer warranty. Very possible. Normally shop warranty only.
Parallel import = The shop that you've bought from MAY have a shop somewhere else in the world and that shop is the official dealer. They're just tapping on their resources elsewhere in the world.
Parallel import = Goods imported into the country via dealers from the rest of the world.
These dealers are buying from the manufacturers and resell it to overseas at a slim margin. Many reasons of doing this. Economy of scale. These dealers can buy MORE and enjoy MORE discount. They can also save on shipping as shipping cost is amortised all round for the range of products. Its a win win for all other than the local appointed dealer.
Parallel import = No QC? Load of BULL other than these parallel import being factory seconds and even that they have some minimal QC.
Parallel import = No manufacturer warranty. Very possible. Normally shop warranty only.
Parallel import = The shop that you've bought from MAY have a shop somewhere else in the world and that shop is the official dealer. They're just tapping on their resources elsewhere in the world.
KissMyAxe
New member
Behringer already crap, still people want to make fakes
Then the fakes must be really really crap .....
subversion
Moderator
not entirely.
phantom_killer
New member
okay let me restate.
1)Dan said that there is a HIGH chance that they did not pass the qc check, since they didnt even need to give you a warranty for that in the first place.
2)So whatever you do you must check for a serial number, make sure its not torn off. Therefore you must be sure that the serial number is there before you buy anything.
I think 1) is purely speculation, not fact.
2) fact
by simple economics, customers who don't even look at the serial number get turn off by the high price of products from the official distributors, hence they totally ignore that batch of goods. Majority, I'd say, would take the cheaper alternative, as "rational" people are. 20 dollars or less do make alot of difference in decisions like that.
hence its highly likely that these "parallel imports" could be hijacked, fakes, since the profit you can make of them is the sheer size of the demand. The market is big for such budget products, compared to boutique pedals which only a few people can afford.
again that is speculation, but its out of dan's mouth so its up to you to believe.
he added that there is a lawsuit going on removing the "fakes".
i have no idea whether they are behringer factory rejects, or some china imitation hijacking the parallel import stock. no one really gives a damn about behringer anyway, except the budget consious and newbies to the scene who want the bang for their buck.
but it is the truth that somehow behringer products are a hit and miss when it comes to quality.
Thats where something smells fishy.
Hope i cleared up the confusion and the influx of condescending remarks on "naivity" by distinguishing what are the facts, dan's words and speculations.
1)Dan said that there is a HIGH chance that they did not pass the qc check, since they didnt even need to give you a warranty for that in the first place.
2)So whatever you do you must check for a serial number, make sure its not torn off. Therefore you must be sure that the serial number is there before you buy anything.
I think 1) is purely speculation, not fact.
2) fact
by simple economics, customers who don't even look at the serial number get turn off by the high price of products from the official distributors, hence they totally ignore that batch of goods. Majority, I'd say, would take the cheaper alternative, as "rational" people are. 20 dollars or less do make alot of difference in decisions like that.
hence its highly likely that these "parallel imports" could be hijacked, fakes, since the profit you can make of them is the sheer size of the demand. The market is big for such budget products, compared to boutique pedals which only a few people can afford.
again that is speculation, but its out of dan's mouth so its up to you to believe.
he added that there is a lawsuit going on removing the "fakes".
i have no idea whether they are behringer factory rejects, or some china imitation hijacking the parallel import stock. no one really gives a damn about behringer anyway, except the budget consious and newbies to the scene who want the bang for their buck.
but it is the truth that somehow behringer products are a hit and miss when it comes to quality.
Thats where something smells fishy.
Hope i cleared up the confusion and the influx of condescending remarks on "naivity" by distinguishing what are the facts, dan's words and speculations.
phantom_killer
New member
I'd say instead that the crap ones COULD be the imitations, while genuine behringer could have been an OKAY product all along. But behringer's reputation COULD have been tainted by these "imitations"
again its all "COULD". no hard facts. just based on reasoning.
theblueark
New member
fact
–noun
1. something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
2. something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.
4? a rule that people are compelled by the laws of the universe to follow: It is a fact that all people must check for a serial number.
No wait, how's that again?
In other news, I know of someone who parallel imports goods to Australia and pisses off Australian dealers. But that's just speculation.
