Any pedals that can REPLICATE a Mesa Dual Rect type dist?

[KennethC]

you guys remember the Dynared? KOTB? ETERNITY? BLACKSTONE? ....

Bwahaha. Now those seem familiar...

But to be frank the KOTB and Dyna Red are awesome pedals. KOTB is quite reasonably priced if you ask me. The Dyna Red..definitely comes with hype attached to it, but I still have no regrets buying it (I still keep it even tho I use the Openhaus almost exclusively - cos it fits my current gig needs better). The Dyna Red is a vintage cranked marshall, really good for old school classic rock. Once you venture into the more modern territory where you need more saturation and gain, other pedals will do better. No money to buy a 2061 from the Marshall Custom Shop and crank it up? - The Dyna Red is a pretty good contender for a substitute, especially for bedroom volumes.

 

[ChanMin]

My G-flex cab ..has quite a bit of bass response... so the low end would have helped any distortion/overdrive crunch sound better..

Ofcourse the amp's inherent tone matters as well. Ive not tried the goblin extensively... its is a nice lil combo amp...but with a 1x10" speaker right?...

4x12>2x12>1x12 ... the cab is limiting factor here.
im assuming you used an extension 1x12.
which one was it btw?

 

[leecs]

So it all goes back to the amp..........

Even if you use a $99999999 mutha F Bootek pedal, that the builder only made 1 in the world, with diamond knobs, gold toggle switches, awesome name, a 100% gold casing with titianium 3DPT switch & lastly, signed by the President of Singapore into a small amp, your tone still suck!!

 

[ChanMin]

aiyah not bashing your old pedals ah ... i admit the dynared is not bad la...

sell them kenneth.... sell them ... ssseellllll tttthhhheeeeeemmmm...

SIDE NOTE: wah im DAMN tempted to get the openhaus expression pedal... (edit: i mean the VFM with exp pedal)

 

[KennethC]

sell them kenneth.... sell them ... ssseellllll tttthhhheeeeeemmmm...

All of those sold liao...only left with Dyna Red ma....

SIDE NOTE: wah im DAMN tempted to get the openhaus expression pedal... (edit: i mean the VFM with exp pedal)

U got G-system liao, still got space for the expression pedal? Unless...you...are...really... going to fix wheels to that monster case.

Waste money la...

 

[ChanMin]

yup ... just like how a ferrari will never hit 180km/h in a multi storey carpark.

certain products require certain conditions to stretch its legs and show you what it can do.


kennethc: hAhAhAh fix wheels... add steering column ..add handle bar... add a little bicycle bell ..

 

[Ized]

So it all goes back to the amp..........

Even if you use a $99999999 mutha F Bootek pedal, that the builder only made 1 in the world, with diamond knobs, gold toggle switches, awesome name, a 100% gold casing with titianium 3DPT switch & lastly, signed by the President of Singapore into a small amp, your tone still suck!!

wrong. cos when I plug my sansamp gt-2(older version) into my fren's craptastic 10 watt amp and i still get a quite a ballsy tone out of it. with a tubescreamer driving it of course

 

[ShredCow]

you guys remember the Dynared? KOTB? ETERNITY? BLACKSTONE? ....
i didnt think they justified their sale prices at all ....so imagine my surprise when i hit a chord on the openhaus and it actually proved me wrong.

I thought the dynared, kotb and E to be... uh...

The Bstone... I dunno... It gets a tone that's on Rush's 2112 album. I actually still want one... I can't find any other pedal that gets that tube amp on the verge of breakup thing.

The openhaus is... heh... I wished I just got that from the start. Would have saved a lot of cash.

 

[ShredCow]

So it all goes back to the amp..........

Even if you use a $99999999 mutha F Bootek pedal, that the builder only made 1 in the world, with diamond knobs, gold toggle switches, awesome name, a 100% gold casing with titianium 3DPT switch & lastly, signed by the President of Singapore into a small amp, your tone still suck!!

Everything in perspective and in context?

An Openhaus into an MG15 (which of course, must suck) has tone that bests the MG15's own built in distortion! Imagine that! A pedal sounding better than an amp's own drive! WOAH!!!!
The tone doesn't suck... in that sense.

But an Openhaus into a 4 x 12 ... is overkill.

 

[ShredCow]

Ofcourse the amp's inherent tone matters as well. Ive not tried the goblin extensively... its is a nice lil combo amp...but with a 1x10" speaker right?...

4x12>2x12>1x12 ... the cab is limiting factor here.
im assuming you used an extension 1x12.
which one was it btw?

The Goblin doesn't have the thump that a 1x12 combo would have - its 1x10 but a good sounding 1x10.

The cab used was a Ceriatone 1 x 12 with a Cannabis Rex speaker. That sounds quite good actually...

However, I suspect it could have been the Goblin that limited the tonal range. Its got headroom but just... not quite enough? Or something. I've always been trying to believe its got incredible headroom but my ears are telling me otherwise that its just not as clean as "clean" should be.


Now I got a Gries 5 and I think the Openhaus fares considerably better on that one. I have to lower bass on the amp.

 

[Godspeed64]

An Openhaus into an MG15 (which of course, must suck) has tone that bests the MG15's own built in distortion!

You'd be surprised! Beez modded his MG15CDR and MG15MSII to better capacitors (orange drops) and better diodes..
I've never liked the Marshall MG series but that amp was certainly formidable! :mrgreen:
Not saying it owns, but it certainly gets the job done.. Too bad even the MG15MSII is 2x10".. If 12" shiok!

 

[pujangga]

Dunno if it's worth mentioning...I went down to Standard Value the other day to test out the new range of Biyang pedals. Actually, I only tested one...the Metal End King. It literally blew me away.

http://www.biyang.com.cn/Products.asp?Id=64

The link above is for the Metal End. The Metal End King is about $40 more...at $160. I'm not going to say that it sounds like a Mesa Dual Rectifier, cos I don't really know how it sounds...but damn, the distortion really beats the crap of some heavy distortion pedals I know. And at $160? Can't beat that price.

My prior experience with Biyang has been good, so take a listen.

 

[ShredCow]

That's interesting.

Its like that old argument that a solid state amp will never sound as good as a tube amp but we never have the opportunity to use a really well made SS amp to a/b and test. Unless one could afford a pitchard amp.

 

[KennethC]

Now I got a Gries 5 and I think the Openhaus fares considerably better on that one. I have to lower bass on the amp.

I would have expected that...the Gries 5's got a lot of low-end goin on. Is your Openhaus the latest version with the bass reduction option? Greater versatility I guess, tho I really enjoy the low-end thump of the Openhaus. A key pt of differentiation for me, actually.

 

[Whitestrat]

An Openhaus into an MG15 (which of course, must suck) has tone that bests the MG15's own built in distortion!

Actually, an MG15 isn't half bad...:mrgreen:

I'm beginning to discover that it's not just the amp circuitry that matters. Changing the tone can simply come from replacing the speaker itself. A really good speaker driven by an equivalent power source is pretty good enough.

Lets say you take a really bad sounding amp with a 12" speaker cab. Leave it on clean, change the speakers to a matching Celestion, Jensen, or Weber, and you'll find that with a nice pedal, the tone you get can be pretty good too. Basically using the amp as just a simple volume gain driver, and letting the pedal and speaker shape the tone. Of course, then it comes to whether the amp's EQ is decent or not.

But taking that out of the equation, I'd say all your Goblin (which didn't suck at all) needed was just a different speaker to have that kick in the nuts thump...:mrgreen:

I wouldn't say it's what you need to kill a Mark IV, Solo 100 or a Triamp, but it'll suffice for that balls to the wall tone for home use.:mrgreen:

 

[Whitestrat]

Its like that old argument that a solid state amp will never sound as good as a tube amp but we never have the opportunity to use a really well made SS amp to a/b and test.

I like the Yamaha DG60... That's plenty of good tone from a SS amp for me...:mrgreen:

 

[AzNjT]

haha, man why are yous talking about amps now?
yea i know that you have to be plugged in a Moderately good amp with Proper speakers but im tryin to focus on the actual Distortion that an individual Pedal creates, not so much of how it will sound through an amp

take the MT-2 i used to own for example, it sounded like the "Metal" type distortion on my amp but it couldnt get the sound of the "R-fier" mode no matter how i tweaked it.

Anymore recommendations?

 

[ShredCow]

I would have expected that...the Gries 5's got a lot of low-end goin on. Is your Openhaus the latest version with the bass reduction option? Greater versatility I guess, tho I really enjoy the low-end thump of the Openhaus. A key pt of differentiation for me, actually.

Nay man.. it isn't.

I'm thinking of sending it back for that. I think the Openhaus has a little too much low end and I don't like how the physical knob is always set to 11 oclock. Haha. Aesthetics, aesthetics.

There's more than the bass reduction option apparently.

I just did a little recording of the openhaus...

 

[ShredCow]

I like the Yamaha DG60... That's plenty of good tone from a SS amp for me...:mrgreen:

That one digital no?

U LIE YOU!

 

[Godspeed64]

Good SS amps?
Well since good certainly varies from people to people, I'll just state some of em that I personally like..

Roland Jazz Chorus series
Roland Cube series
Randall RG/RH series (love the distortion)
Pignose Hog series
Tech 21 Trademark series
Rocktron Velocity series (love the distortion)

And TS.. I just remembered something.. Do try out Rocktron pedals as well.. Some of their distortions are really heavy sounding IMO, ironically their Metal Planet is not one of these, but is a good pedal nonetheless.. :mrgreen: