An Interesting Conversation

[yy_fuctup]

No, I do not. One does not need to speak a language in order to understand certain words. Aren't you assuming too much? Getting too excited, huh?

If you are unable to read, I said that "Allah is a synonym to another Arabian word, which seemed to have slipped my mind. And that particular word means "to surrender"."

Perhaps you are simply illiterate.

Yes, I call that proof.

 

[fuzztremecho]

dear

yes i am illiterate. i am having difficulty reading your posts.Please type in NATO if you are able to.

"Allah is a synonym to another Arabian word, which seemed to have slipped my mind.
One does not need to speak a language in order to understand certain words"

correct me if i am wrong...i'm illiterate you see..

that ARABIAN word which you understand synonymous to Allah have slipped your mind but that you do not need to speak the language to understand that certain ARABIAN word...which i might add have slipped your mind...

and what certain ARABIAN words do you understand?

dont' worry dear..it takes more than a young girl to get me excited

 

[yy_fuctup]

Young girl? I hear chauvinism. Well, you definitely sounds as if you're fuming. Language speaks for you.

Q'uran is an arabian word, that I understand.

 

[fuzztremecho]

i am not fuming dear
dont worry..takes more to get me fuming..learn the art of "PEACE BREATHING"..

what does Q'uran mean?? i betcha you know...

well lets get back to your proof about Dubai..please indicate to me clearly in which paragraph does it indicate non-Muslims are allowed to live for 6 months..

i'm not a MCP..daddy to 2 girls..see my sig below

 

[yy_fuctup]

I apologize for not understanding internet abbreviations, in reference to MCP.

I'm sure you're not fuming, your sentences suggest the opposite.

Read it and you'll see what I mean. I doubt that you read it through thoroughly.

 

[fuzztremecho]

as you have assume that i am illiterate..

i have read it 5x, up and under and in between the lines, there is no clear evidence to suggest that i am fuming. Please let me know where in my sentences there are suggestions that I am fuming and I would gladly rephrase it.

there is no need to apologize for not understanding what MCP is.

and please, could we get back to the question that was posed earlier

"please indicate to me clearly in which paragraph does it indicate non-Muslims are allowed to live for 6 months"

 

[yy_fuctup]

"you called that proof???

Allah is not "to surrender"
and which Arabian word is that dear...do you speak Arabian??
then might as well i start conversing in Arabian to you...

Assalammualaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarahkatuh

antay an'nisa ?

hul khalast sadiq?"

Look at the number of question marks and your tone. It's obvious.

Why don't you just read it instead of asking me to point it out?

 

[fuzztremecho]

oh that part..ok i would rephrase it

the posting that you made earlier about non-Muslims having to live in Dubai for a term not more than 6 months is contradictry to the posting that you have made,stating the visa terms and procedures,

this was lifted from an internet source I believed. Can you please show me with the proof that you have, a paragraph stating non-Muslims are allowed to live in Dubai for a term of not more than 6 months

and is it possible for you to remember the meaning of Allah.As earlier you have mentioned twice in your postings, the English meaning of Allah is "to surrender".

However, in your later postings, you mentioned that Allah is synonymous to an Arabian word which did have the English meaning of "to surrender"

Kindly clarify the above matters

for the benefit of my fellow softies
the meaning of the words in Arabian that was posted earlier

"Peace upon you my friend"- it's a common greeting when meeting friends or strangers..it helps to break the ice or to start a conversation..in the middle East,regardless of what your faith or belief is, the greeting is a norm

it is not almost use exclusively by Muslims

the second part = are you a woman?

the last part = how long my friend?

 

[Anirudh]

Satan is the one who started all your black metal, heavy metal, death metal, brutal posthardcore grindcore screamo etc. kinda music. Realized the aggression in those genres? Who do you think it came from? Who even inspired the forefathers of metal/hardcore to even create metal/hardcore music?
.

i beg to differ. The roots of metal originated from a feeeling - anger. I dont think it was Satan or whatever.

Likewise emo music originated from cowdung.

The man has spoken.


PS: there's so much reference to the bible in most of your posts. Mind you, not all religions believe that mankind was created from some apple tree.

cheers

 

[yy_fuctup]

Sorry for the late reply due to the technical difficulties which I believe SOFT was having the previous night.

In reply to fuzz,

"Go with the latter. That's what I meant. I apologize for the confusion caused due to my lacking phrasing.

Yes, it was lifted off an internet source. The one I gave you itself is proof as it states rules for only Non-Muslims from other countries. Click the link attached and read the whole of it as the webpage specifies rules applicable to Muslims and non-Muslims separately.

Also, I believe Non-Muslims are not allowed to enter Makkah and Madinah."

 

[fuzztremecho]

Dear

Please do your research again pertaining to Dubai,UAE. What you have posted is totally wrong. Please do your research thoroughly

Yes, Makkah and Madinah are 2 holiest cities in Islam. We leave it as that.

Its wise to do a thorough research before posting statements such christianity originated from Germany, Dubai stuff and Allah;etc.
Issues which you have only an inkling knowledge about, please be 100% sure by checking and researching it thoroughly.

Lest we all forget, whatever postings that we have here are documented. It could and would be used as evidence under the Evidence Act Cap 97.

Posts what you have in your thoughts but please post responsibly.As in sports, there are rules of engagement and conduct to be observed,there are OB markers to adhere to.

Dear yy.

I do not wish to rebut you on every point or embarrassed you further.I wished you well in your future endeavours.

 

[ac]

Dear


Lest we all forget, whatever postings that we have here are documented. It could and would be used as evidence under the Evidence Act Cap 97.

Dude what is wrong with you. In response to some misunderstanding of islam and you're into scare mongering? So far, except for a few rather snide attempts at sarcasm, the ideas presented have been enlightening to show where some people's headspace are at. Those that are interested will have to go and find out for themselves what truths the other's beliefs are and form their own opinion, and not just have everything shovelled into their brains. Those that don't will simply carry on with their lives and possibly understand that not everyone views things the same way.

yy: What you're grasping at is not that the aramaic word for allah has any roots with the concept of surrender. The word Islam derives from the meaning to surrender. In essence it's taken to mean surrender to god and his will, which incidentally is what most western religions are about anyway. Also non muslims aren't allowed into mecca and medina, since it's considered holy places that are for muslims performing the haj or the umrah.

BTW, it's been bandied about in this thread, but it's generally believed that einstein's view of god is similar to spinoza's view of god/nature. Usually it's referred to as spinoza's god, which at that time was considered to be as good as being an atheist. Basically it's the belief that god/nature are the same, and everything is god.

 

[Cheez]

OK. I've been diliberately avoiding posting in this thread and had been observing the progress. Reason for avoiding - simply because debate of this kind will lead absolutely nowhere (especially when in a forum). People will continue to hold fast to their polarised views, and there will be no solution. Arguments and counter-arguments can go on forever - as it has been for eons. Furthermore, this thread is now evolving into personal attacks and derogatory remarks (direct or implied). Threads of this kind usually end one way - people getting angry. It will probably go on for another 10 pages.

In view of the direction this thread is heading, I suggest closing the thread. Any further personal comments can be sent as pm. James, your call.

 

[fuzztremecho]

Dude what is wrong with you. In response to some misunderstanding of islam and you're into scare mongering?

Bro
It was never my intent to "scare mongering".
My humble apologies if that is perceived by many here.

That was never in my mind when I wrote that.
Yes I agree that the discussions here,were, to me fruitful, whilst some were "hot".

What I have said in my earlier postings was that we must respect and accept each others' differences and beliefs.

In life there is always misunderstanding, if there is a misunderstanding to Islam, in my opinion, it's best that the matter be rectified.

I have in my posts offered avenues for the matter rectified.Neither it was greeted in kind nor tactfully.

All i'm saying is post what you want but be accountable in the contents of your postings. The issue about God, the existence and non-existence,religion,etc is not child's play.

we do not play "tikam-tikam" game about such issues.

 

[Initiate]

I've skimmed over this thread and there's one slightly nagging aspect about it.

Einstein, refuting atheism.

I've seen variants of this email, most of them revealing the student's name at the end. Which happens to be Albert Einstein. Which, through the eyes of the common man, might represent an astonishing credibility to the story itself.

Well, here's what I have to say about this, it's quite the piece of theist propaganda.
It's mere fabrication, sorry to say, this just did not happen.

http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp

Quite sad really, how theists have stooped down so low just to sell off their religion.

But don't fret, this is indeed An Interesting Conversation, for theological arguments are always.. somewhat entertaining. It's laughable, nothing compared to what I've read on the Infidels Board.

http://iidb.infidels.org/vbb/showthread.php?p=4865364#post4865364

Warning : It's quite verbose.

 

[yy_fuctup]

=fuzztremecho

We leave it as that? Now, now and you still claim I didn't do my research. It is quite impossible to do what you might call a thorough research and even you yourself have not been completely enlightened.

To me, Christianity did seem to originate in Germany of me because Bible was only mass printed then and there are copies still alive to confirm that fact.

 

[Maman]

yy keep your research to yourself.
if u dont believe in his existence then so be it...
and ur gettin some facts wrong and its irritating to read them
allah=to surrender
which book u read on?
if u dont understand the arabic language how do you wanna know the right meaning for it...
it like chinese...
a word i found from chinese and i post it in the net and change the whole meaning of it and come people like you stumble apon my post in the web and use it as a proof...
and when fuzz ask u to come to Islamic Religious Council of Singapore or Singapore Muslims' Converts Association to know the meaning of allah
u said they are biased
so i should say in a point you are biased as u are tryin to get people to know which is fact to you and not to us...
yy dun speak of a religion if u dont know the religion tat well
speak of it when really know it at the back of your hand
dun be lead away by lies
life is full of deceit and lies.
so is the web
u cant trust everything u see and hear
i'm not gonna post back anythin here
but i just felt it rather amusing how people nowadays
rely on the web for sources like this
not all can be trusted

i dont mean to upset or annoyed anyone here
but please do a good research 1st b4 you talk about any religion here
and spreading the wrong thing...
be it islam, christianity, bhuddism, hinduism,
get your facts str8...
wen cme to this issue
it very sensitive to whoever who believes in their faiths

well post carefully
cheers

 

[rylche]

I love this post. Great one Tribalcast! Whether you found it somewhere or you wrote it yourself, good job!

 

[yy_fuctup]

To Maman, if you are too slow on your reflexes and have yet to realise that this is a public discussion thread, then I guess I'm enlightening you right now.

If you are annoyed by reading my posts, then it should be within your mental control to not read them. You give yourself the validity of choices.

I read on quite few books. Now, you are misinterprating me. I stated that I did not understand Arabian as a language but I do understand certain words in it, is it not implied clearly enough?

Yes, in fact, you should say that I am biased. Everybody is subjected to their own point of views. Objectiveness is not possible in Earthly context.

And what you said depends on your definition of "well". I might not know it well, but I have my brains to process opinions from simple and basic facts regarding religions. I believe debates are not only about facts (which doesn't exist), but also thoughts, which contributes to a huge part of discussions.

Don't be led away by lies? I know my mind well enough, thank you very much for your concern. I do not merely rely on internet sources, that would be your assumptions.

 

[soft]

Oki, let's not argue with yy_fuctup anymore. I am sure yy_fuctup will learn more as life goes on. When the opportunity come around, I hope enlightenment will be found.

There are a few reasons why I have this thread going on.

1. We can explore viewpoints.
2. Learn from each other's information.
3. Community bonding through our differences.

As we tread on very sensitive issues, we must behave in a professional and respectful manner. Only when we do it, we will learn and progress.