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DoubleDecker
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Yes Black_Death ... HATE ME!!! I am nowhere near adorable. LOL!
Pure Techno is very much better than what we hear in Music Undeground. I don't really take in those "commercial techno" very well. I'm slightly a mixture of underground and anthems.
Pure Techno is very much better than what we hear in Music Undeground. I don't really take in those "commercial techno" very well. I'm slightly a mixture of underground and anthems.
Panopticon-3
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is it me or are there some serious ignorant morons in here?
firstly if people saw a shortcut to piercing by just sticking magnets over their faces then whats the point of inventing the art of piercing? piercing is an art by itself just like tattoos. So if ur denouncing the art of piercing its just like telling me that music can just be you banging metal cans over some guy strumming a stretched rubber band, so who would give a shit about yngwie malmsteen shredding or a steve vai solo? as for tattooing i might as well take a permanent marker pen and draw on myself rather than paying money to get a real tattoo done right?
sheesh
firstly if people saw a shortcut to piercing by just sticking magnets over their faces then whats the point of inventing the art of piercing? piercing is an art by itself just like tattoos. So if ur denouncing the art of piercing its just like telling me that music can just be you banging metal cans over some guy strumming a stretched rubber band, so who would give a shit about yngwie malmsteen shredding or a steve vai solo? as for tattooing i might as well take a permanent marker pen and draw on myself rather than paying money to get a real tattoo done right?
sheesh
Panopticon-3
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yeah some people would happily go on and on about finding alternatives to piercings but bitch and moan about rotten pop music on mtv and radios.
DoubleDecker
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I think nobody is denouncing tattoo or piercing is a form of art. It is just another alternative, instead of having the thing go through their flesh and skin, they want something temporary or interchangeable.
Let's take for example, ancient artistes used to do oil paint on canvas, modern day street art use spray cans on walls. Is street art not art? It's just an "alternative" to achieve the same artistic value, be it with oil paints or with spray cans. Does spray can denounce the true value of oil paintings? It doesn't. It's only a matter of perception.
http://www.fotosearch.com/DGT212/urg0088
In fact, bodyart like tattoos or piercing goes a long way back in history in tribes. Tattoos, piercing and ornamentals are items to mark someone's status and power in their tribes and area. So if based on your understanding, can we say your piercing is "white washing" the true significance of tattoo and piercing? Or are you going to defend by saying "you are being original"? Doesn't that makes you a poseur of our ancient ancestors too?
http://chargerweb.org/lawson/tattoo/piercing_history.htm
And personally, I think you're a little too heated up to lash out "serious ignorant morons". People don't come out with an alternative for nothing, there's a reason for it.
As for "banging metal cans" ... I'm afraid you have been left far behind. Many people have been trying out new things, from hitting on plastic pails to traffic lights to newspaper box, you mean you didn't know about it? Here's one for you to read.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2002/tempo71502a.htm
And also if you didn't know Stomp, which highly improvise with things like broomsticks to pots and pans, you mean you didn't know? BTW, Stomp is not original. From ages ago, even in the 50s, many artistes have tried "alternative" and "unconventional" instruments. Here's for you to read too.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2002/tempo71502a.htm
Did you know in China and Taiwan, there are instrument collectors who design and make their own instruments apart from the "original instruments" that are already available? Does that means they are denouncing the standing musical instruments? You didn't know about this?
If you can do it in "alternative" ways and do it well, why not? :wink:
If tattoos and piercings are art, it's only because modern human classify it as "art". In ancient times, are tattoo and piercing "art" to the tribeman? On some tribesman, having more tattoo animals means he's a more competent hunter than anybody else. Having a tattoo crown around his skull says he is once a headman of the tribe. The tattoo tells a very important tale of their life story, such an important thing that until today, scientists and historians are studying mummies from the Egyptian Pyramids to the fire mummies in the mountains of Indonesia. You didn't know?
http://www.tattooheaven.com/CentAsia.html
There's nothing wrong with piercing yourself, by all means because it's going into your flesh and not mine. I do have my own piercing for cosmetical reasons, although nothing fanciful or extreme. The true ignorance is to do something and not know the factual origins of that thing you are doing.
I am not into Drum n Bass because I do not know how to appreciate it, so for people like DJ Feng or Koflow who does DnB... do I call them ignorant morons? Certainly not.
Peace.
DD
Let's take for example, ancient artistes used to do oil paint on canvas, modern day street art use spray cans on walls. Is street art not art? It's just an "alternative" to achieve the same artistic value, be it with oil paints or with spray cans. Does spray can denounce the true value of oil paintings? It doesn't. It's only a matter of perception.
http://www.fotosearch.com/DGT212/urg0088
In fact, bodyart like tattoos or piercing goes a long way back in history in tribes. Tattoos, piercing and ornamentals are items to mark someone's status and power in their tribes and area. So if based on your understanding, can we say your piercing is "white washing" the true significance of tattoo and piercing? Or are you going to defend by saying "you are being original"? Doesn't that makes you a poseur of our ancient ancestors too?
http://chargerweb.org/lawson/tattoo/piercing_history.htm
And personally, I think you're a little too heated up to lash out "serious ignorant morons". People don't come out with an alternative for nothing, there's a reason for it.
As for "banging metal cans" ... I'm afraid you have been left far behind. Many people have been trying out new things, from hitting on plastic pails to traffic lights to newspaper box, you mean you didn't know about it? Here's one for you to read.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2002/tempo71502a.htm
And also if you didn't know Stomp, which highly improvise with things like broomsticks to pots and pans, you mean you didn't know? BTW, Stomp is not original. From ages ago, even in the 50s, many artistes have tried "alternative" and "unconventional" instruments. Here's for you to read too.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2002/tempo71502a.htm
Did you know in China and Taiwan, there are instrument collectors who design and make their own instruments apart from the "original instruments" that are already available? Does that means they are denouncing the standing musical instruments? You didn't know about this?
If you can do it in "alternative" ways and do it well, why not? :wink:
If tattoos and piercings are art, it's only because modern human classify it as "art". In ancient times, are tattoo and piercing "art" to the tribeman? On some tribesman, having more tattoo animals means he's a more competent hunter than anybody else. Having a tattoo crown around his skull says he is once a headman of the tribe. The tattoo tells a very important tale of their life story, such an important thing that until today, scientists and historians are studying mummies from the Egyptian Pyramids to the fire mummies in the mountains of Indonesia. You didn't know?
http://www.tattooheaven.com/CentAsia.html
There's nothing wrong with piercing yourself, by all means because it's going into your flesh and not mine. I do have my own piercing for cosmetical reasons, although nothing fanciful or extreme. The true ignorance is to do something and not know the factual origins of that thing you are doing.
I am not into Drum n Bass because I do not know how to appreciate it, so for people like DJ Feng or Koflow who does DnB... do I call them ignorant morons? Certainly not.
Peace.
DD
Panopticon-3
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oh i bow down to the mighty lord of knowledge double decker for injecting me with soooo much knowledge i feel so honoured to be under his tutelage oh mighty double decker who could spawn links to websites just by the snap of his finger, im sure the internet is just a small part of his vast knowledge and he needed only 3 seconds to research those
*bows*
*bows*
DoubleDecker
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Yes of course, internet is readily available... instead of using it for name-calling purpose, it is better used to do research on things that we are ignorant on. :wink:
Black_Death
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DoubleDecker said:
im getting withdrawal symptoms oredi.from the last fix of the new face of ruin.
hard chicken..yea..its not cold turkey for me.but hard chicken. :x
DoubleDecker
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Hard chicken!?! LOL... very very hard to imagine. :lol:
penta-tonic
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hahahahahahaha. hilarious! well id stand on the side of panopticon on this. i guess what he is trying to say is if u must have a piercing, go for the real thing. it is boiling down to the essence of it. what makes a piercing a piercing is that metal or other forms of ornaments must be pushed thru the skin, pain being part of the procedure. just like tattoos. wat makes a tattoo a tattoo is the whole package of pain and permanance. take these few properties away and it just doesnt make sense anymore.
that is his point. not abt whether theres ground breaking news on artists who have embraced the trash can. or oil paintings to grafitti art. its like saying i wanna be a great guitarist like vai but i dun wanna practice, i just wanna pay u to adore me. its friggin retarded.
ryuki no offence to you. i hope u find all this useful when making ur decision.
that is his point. not abt whether theres ground breaking news on artists who have embraced the trash can. or oil paintings to grafitti art. its like saying i wanna be a great guitarist like vai but i dun wanna practice, i just wanna pay u to adore me. its friggin retarded.
ryuki no offence to you. i hope u find all this useful when making ur decision.
DoubleDecker
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penta-tonic said:
So what is the "real" thing? That's having a status in the tribe, or be competent in hunting etc. That's the true origin and significance of all these tattoo and piercings. Are you living the "real" meaning of these?
This definitely cannot be true, because if this is true, the historians and scientists must be the biggest idiots in this world. All these piercings has certain meanings to it, with that - an indepth studies on their way of life. And that's exactly what historians and scientists are documenting on,
And historically, tattoo and piercing are never conducted from the start as a measurement of one's guts or one's tolerance of pain. They are documentation practice used by our ancestors to date their life and their achievement. :wink:
Well, those are examples of alternatives to what we currently have and it goes the same for tattoo and piercing, because according to him, clip-on is denouncing the "authentic" piercing.
Sorry no offence to you too... but I feel we should be sharing correct and factual information instead of some "original" version. To put it bluntly, if one doesn't even know what he/she is doing, it is as good as complete bullshit.
To say the least, he came in too aggressive when he barely even know what's the orgins of piercing and tattoo.
penta-tonic
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well well seems we have another case of a very opinion based person. i noticed from the join date and the amount of posts u have already. so by making that statement that either panopticon or myself do not know what we are talking abt so i presume u are the know it all? hilarious. go on with whatever you are doing. so do u know why u play music?
hopeandanchor
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It's simple - if you wanna do something do it for real and not half assed, get pierced, tattoo'ed, take drugs, drink, smoke, fight if you have to, have plenty of unprotected sex, rock out, eat, hell by all means break the damn law - just don't get caught. That's what life's about no? - you eat, you f*ck, you die. Just do what YOU want and be HAPPY. Don't worry about people calling your poseurs, you want to get pieced in the first place because you're trying to express yourself. And if so then why the hell would you care for anyone's opinion? Have a good life experience. Good luck.
DoubleDecker
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penta-tonic said:
I apologise if a newly sign up member has lesser rights to speak up. But I am curious how does the "join date & amount of posts" relate to that?
Opinion based or not, I cannot say so. But if the threadstarter is getting a piercing just because she doesn't want to be called a "poseur or ignorant moron", that's a incorrect motive. Especially to bow down to pressure to a person whom don't even know the roots of piercing and tattoo.
I'm not saying I am smart, I just have a tendency to read into things that I am interested in, for example tattoo, piercing etc. Of course, some others would be interested in something only because "oh it's so cool..." and not knowing anything that comes along with it.
penta-tonic said:
I cannot say I know it all, nobody is a genius. With this, he had to resort to name callings, whch that effort can be channeled into doing a little research.
Why I do music, particularly house and electronic? It's fairly simple. I am attracted to the house music and the digitalised form of it. But how did this come about? (I did my research of course) It originate from Disco music from the 70s and with the revolution on Disco music in 1979 (which was a blanket for turning against black music), such music were forced to go underground because no radio stations wanted to play Disco music for fear of losing support and audience. Radio stations who did that had their premises vandalised.
The underground house scene was borned and they called it "House". Over the past 30 years, technology has improved massively and the induction of electronics has also given House music a new front.
And back to the basics, instead of using that 3 secs to type "Ignorant moron", that 3 secs can be converted to typing "History of tattoo and piercing" and press <Search>. Obviously, he hasn't done so when he shot out with that, so again, we have to spoon-feed him with the urls.
DD
hopeandanchor
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On another note, we are in need of a lot more listening in this world and a lot less yelling. We are all so quick to point fingers and say "of course this and that" and demonize those who don't agree with us. But the truth is that most of the people who we disagree with are just as sincere as we are about trying to do the right thing. It's a difference of access to information a lot of times, and a simple difference of opinion in others. The bottom line is that we all need to love each other, and then just maybe, we can have some interesting exchanges of ideas and actually learn something from the voices of those we had shut our ears against.
