What Does Our Local Scene Need To Prosper?

ShyamRaj

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Hey guys , i kinda started this forum coz i have been thinkin abt what we need to be a really kick ass rock country ... True said , we have really good musicians but its that special something that is lacking in our gigs. So more than a passion is it a fashion ? Is the goverment supporting us enough ? Are we making music good enough to keep em coming back for more ?

Tell us your comments,views,experiences and maybe we could have a solution..

KICK ASS ROCK AND ROLL!
Shyam Raj
 
ShyamRaj: Hey guys , i kinda started this forum

Fwah, and I thought it was bro SOFT bro who started this forum all these years...

Which shows you that you can't really trust anything you read on the Internet these days...
 
Since I've never posted on this topic, so Shyam here's my two cents! (Haha.. but the previous replies sure show how much people are sick of this topic.)

1. So more than a passion is it a fashion?
I think its both. Passion is what got all of us into it and fashion for the trends. But i think passion isn't enough. Lets not forget music is a business as well if you want to "succeed". I certainly treat it as a part-time job which i spend lots of valuable time on "marketing" my band (Sponge), finding gigs which are worth the time and pay-off and lets not forget practicing. Perhaps if we really want to succeed, its going to take much more of us daring to make a full step and taking it as a full-time job (especially if you're talking about bands cos there are like what? 2-3 full time original bands in SG?). Its like any industry... i don't believe any industry can survive only on a majority of part-time members who don't put even put in at least 8-10 hrs a day in their jobs. People who have succeeded so far (our full time pub musicians, music producers) have put in that amount.

2. Is the goverment supporting us enough ?
I would say yes. Just look at the esplanade (which is financed by the government). And, i think this is a very strong Singapore mentality about the government. I dont' feel that bands overseas actually look for government support actively. Its our job to make this industry self-sustainable in the long run. In the short run, i agree that the government has done enough.


3. Are we making music good enough to keep em coming back for more?
Good music certainly. Listening to our bands, I won't say that we have failed in the technical aspects (seeing how often our guitarists have won Asian Beat etc). But i think in terms of musicality, this is where we have done poorly.

My opinion (please dont' bash me SOFTTIES!) is that we aren't smart enough musically and thinking in a "business-context". We have lots of metal bands, emo bands, indie-sounding bands which are surely great to us (who are in the music scene), but can i imagine our local population listening to these bands? My answer is a straight and simple no.

My belief is that sure, stick to our musical desires, but think of our "consumers" as well. I don't hear 250 rpm solos on radio and neither should our bands expect that on radio. Locally, the number of music listeners are small enough. Narrowing our market (e.g. emo listeners, metal listeners and other really niche genres) is not going to help to sustain a band, fan wise and financially. I feel that bands should always think about how marketable their music is and sometimes give in a little and make it easier for the general audience to appreciate (sort of an internal A&R). Create that fanbase vibe, then slowly introduce listeners to "more difficult" songs. I would say Electrico has done this well, by ensuring a balance in their records. Its the same as this - Imagine having to watch a Bulgarian art film without the subtitles. Thats how a normal Singaporean would feel having to listen to Metal, Emo or even Indie.

Also, think global. Our market is small enough. If you wanna earn a living on music, go global. If Chinese songs is your niche, go to Taiwan, China, Hong Kong. English? Australia and maybe the US, UK. (Firebrands and Electrico) Metal - the Eastern European Bloc seems like a rather favourite location. Dont' just think Singapore. Like any business or career now - Go global to succeed.

That's my long-winded opinion. I do have others but i'll keep it short here. Keep the scene alive!

Ken
S.P.O.N.G.E
http://www.myspace.com/spongemusic
 
in my opinion, what we need is effort.

from the general public, put in the effort to support good bands, good gigs, good venues, good shows, good music. buy local cds, pay for local shows. when you go for local gigs in local venues, buy the drinks there instead of sneaking in 7-11. If the venue is happy, they will be more receptive to gigs to begin with.

from the bands, put in the effort to write and play your own songs. develop your own identity and have something to say. put in the effort to market yourself well and carry yourselves with dignity. put in the effort to look for gigs and to grow a fanbase that will support you through your tough times. put in the effort to get heard, and the effort to make sure you understand everything about any situation before you jump in.

from the promoters, put in the effort to organize good shows with good bands in good venues. take the time to negotiate properly and make sure you know the people you are working with. don't scam people's time and money for your own personal gain, it robs the scene. promote and market your events well and professionally.

my thoughts
-visa
 
well i have to agree with you guys ... marketing of the band is very important . i agree when you say that there are some organisers out to scam.. they dont even give em a jug of beer or even coke for their efforts . thats sad. But there are those good few def . Who really take their efforts in making a show happen .
 
search those old thread about this local scene thingy and lock this damn thread,its annoying....same topic,same old argument,flame here flame there....in the end its just another nonsense thread where people talk bout their ideas and nvr do anything about it...

wanna improve local scene? turn off the comp and practice like mad,stop putting up thread like this...at least you'll manage to improve the local standard by 0.00001%
 
There's only one question we need to ponder about with regards to whether we can prosper in this market - ARE WE INTERESTING ENOUGH TO GRAB THE AUDIENCES BY THE BALLS???

Personally, i've seen lots of bands here have the talent(The new ones are raw, but they basically have an idea what they're doing). Be it, as a musician or their ideas on creating a genre for themselves. The only thing lacking would be the band's/performer's "Stage Presence".....

Think about it, why should we(generally speaking, if i put myself as a "normal joe" audience) pay good money to watch performers stare at the stage floor, playing amongst themselves, instead of interacting and relating their music to us. We, the audience, want to be a part of you!!!! That's why we are here to watch you.

We(now i'm speaking as a musicican/performer) have to first understand, if we want to be noticed, we need to be special. Something out of the norm, something talent scouts or media can talk/write about... eg. a good looking band member that all the chicks dig(but later finds out he's gay...hehehheh), a six finger guitarist that plays jaw dropping stuff with all six fingers, a super cute drummer chick(that only wears short skirt when she drums) etc etc ...You get the drift?......BE UNIQUE...

It's not always all about the music (I'm sure we know/heard tons of great international artiste that still remain in the backseat), but it's ALWAYS about how the performer/band stands out amongst the rest of the crowd. Eg. Vai...I;m sure there're quite a few guitarist out there that could whop him in terms of skills, but the main reason we pay more attention to him is the the way he performs, the way he looks when he's playing, and also the way he interacts with the crowd.

If we are able to break out from this shell, I'm sure there'll be a time when the "normal Singapore joe" will start appreciating what we have here.

Cheers.
 
Get MediacorpTv , Radio to advertise all the gigs going everyweek and do extensive coverage on the gigs :)

Lets stop all gigs, Make a concert :)

hehe.
 
Yeah true that about being unique . One band that i really look forward to all the time is the boardpharks.. now known as the suns.. those guys got the whole package man..

and yeah radio should def help by playing more of our local talent on primetime rather than late hours or just sundays .. But atleast they are taking a step. Maybe T.V shows should get local bands to get up there and intro themselves , something like what the late night shows do. And more concerts ..yes.
 
ban expat bands that play for beer or burgers - local musos need to cari makan too...
 
we'll do what we can. keep making mojo-licious awesome sounding music. just keep doing your thing, one day. you never know what could happen.

its all about the heart bro. 8)
 
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