The meaning of ACDC and KISS

[exin]

I think Satanism is all in the mind ... Jesus only rebuke one catogory off people during his Ministry ... they are the Pharisees ... and it's sad to see the Phariseerical tradition being passed on ... now who's the real satanist?

You sure Jesus just rebuke the Pharisee ONLY? What about the legions of demons in the man that Jesus rebuked and the legions of demon fled into the hordes of pigs and killed themselves? What about the evil spirit in the boy that was torturing him and tried to kill him time and again; throwing him into the fire and water and the parents of the boy pleaded with Jesus to set the boy free?

Dude ... read your gospels ...

Back to the topic ... so what do you guys deem as satanic?

Is screaming the name of satan in the song lyrics then considered satanic? I don't agree that stratocasters are satanic, i don't see any symbolism in the horns thing, if it were so all guitars are satanic because they have horns then i would have to throw my warmoth away ... man ...

There will always be Christian extremist making really weird doctrines that have no biblical basis at all and we have to be wary of them, like how Muslim extremist distort the teachings of Islam and say they are fighting for allah and stuff ... no offense to muslims here ...

I'm a Christian myself and to those Christians out there ... we base our faith on the Word of God and nothing else. If anything eats your time away from God i think it's time to consider your committment to that issue ...

Some things are not mentioned in the Bible .. e.g. Rock music is bad for you because it'll fry your brain ... or metal music is bad because the scream too much and you'll damage your voice chords if you scream like them ..

It's then these gray areas will start to be debated over centuries whether we as Christians should listen to them. Honestly i think the genre of metal/rock is perfectly fine. Christian bands like PlanetShakers, Day of Fire use rock extensively and their songs are seriously cool.

Personally for me i have my own convictions that's why i dont' listen to secular rock/metal music. I don't see it as a restriction but more of a discipline.

Well, to just end of ... i've got a question for you guys ...

what is then deemed satanic for you?

 

[bin4christ]

not all churches ban music from 70's to 80's...even petra's songs(1970's...?) r sang at my chuched

 

[glentiaw]

christian bands:

project 86
demon hunter
zao
still breathing
underoath
eso-charis
living sacrifice
stretch arm strong
extol
soul embraced
embodyment
narcissus
norma jean (originally luti-kriss)
blindside
few left standing
society's finest
soapbox
3rd root
p.o.d.


every single band ranging from rock to death metal...
names in bold are a few of my fave... do check em out.

there's a tonne more though...

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[3notesAbar]

If you're Christian, good on you. No, I'm not taking sides or anything. What i'm saying is that its good that one can see beyond the imagery or music of a band and listen to them regardless of their genre of music. Especially admirable for a religious but discerning music lover. Cheers.

 

[angusyoung]

back in the 70s or 80s, a grp of really conservative Christians wo obviously deemed AC/DC as satanic, made a bonfire out of a hugeass pile of their records and cds.to whoever thinks rock or metal music is satanic, dont be so narrow minded, you're missing out on alota gd music. -rolls eyes-. one priest back in the early 20th century commented, "why should we let the devil have all the good music?" im a christian myself and i listen, play and love AC/DC. let those who have eyes see, and those with ears hear.

What an irresponsible post. :?

whats so irresposible about that.

 

[guitarman78]

I think Satanism is all in the mind ... Jesus only rebuke one catogory off people during his Ministry ... they are the Pharisees ... and it's sad to see the Phariseerical tradition being passed on ... now who's the real satanist?

You sure Jesus just rebuke the Pharisee ONLY? What about the legions of demons in the man that Jesus rebuked and the legions of demon fled into the hordes of pigs and killed themselves? What about the evil spirit in the boy that was torturing him and tried to kill him time and again; throwing him into the fire and water and the parents of the boy pleaded with Jesus to set the boy free?

Dude ... read your gospels ...

Exin: Jesus rebuked Pharisees ... he didn't rebuke the Prostitutes, Tax collectors and Roman Soldiers. That is the point i am trying to bring across, nothing to do with Demons and principalities of darkness. I think you need to chill and relax on your Sarcasm on the thread ... and trust me boy ... I have read thru the Gospels ...

 

[Creeping_Deth]

I think why music like rock and metal are considered Satanic are because they are charged with lots of emotion and passion, give alternative, nonmainstream views and ideals, and potray rebellion as fasionable.


Cornerstones of faith are unquestioned beliefs, obedience and keeping strong emotions in check. Thats why rock n roll is seen as a threat.

Also, secular music celebrates living while christian music celebrates God. To a Christian, life on earth is more of a trial, and heaven is a reward. In rock music, the hedonism and sensuality is probably shocking to a person of high faith.

 

[Vaiyen]

good analysis there.

 

[guitarman78]

i conquer ....

 

[Creeping_Deth]

Further more, some Christian conservatives point to the origins of rock as satanic.

As we all know, rock came from blues, which was invented by blacks. The blacks were slaves from Africa. Africa was known to Christians as the homeland of voodoo. The hypnotic drumbeats and stuff made people move to the music as if in a trance. To a christian observer at an african music and dance session, it must have been frightening, as if some kind of ritual were being performed.
Even after being transported to the US, this kinda dance was common occurence in cotton plantations owned by white slavemasters.

Robert Johnson was thought to be a satanist because of somgs like "Crossroad Blues" and "Me and the Devil Blues".


Shatter the myth
Don't cut yourself
On your words against
dreams made of steel
-Crystal Mountain, Death

 

[guitarman78]

But i guess most of the time people do not have the knowledge of the origins of Rock music. The accusation of Satanic links with Rock are mostly superficial. (Image, behaviour, lyrics)

But well, even if they do know, the origins of Rock, Blues or even Jazz being music imported from Africa is Debatable. Ultimately, these styles are developed from Americans who so happened to be blacks. Some musicians from early eras might deny it's African origins ... ex: Art Blakey where i read in an interview.

Hence to associate Rock to African Voodoo beats is Eroneous. Like consumption of Junk food being associated with degrading of health and do call that a sin? I would believe such a relationship might be too remote to be speaking on parellel.

 

[Creeping_Deth]

I didn't say that the beats were voodoo. The beats were called voodoo by ignorant white observers, and is a term used by conservatives as justification. I am much more respectful of their musical culture than to just label it as voodoo.

The beats in rock music are very much derived from african traditional percussion, as well as the pentatonic scale from their orally passed-down songs.

Jazz was not so much an african creation as a fusing of african and european musical traditions. Blues was much more directly influenced, being played by black men lamenting their circumstances, with music reminiscent of their culture.

Rock is another thing altogether. In fact, rock is white pioneered and dominated, but it was birthed from the blues.

 

[guitarman78]

Yeah ... i remember attending one of the Christian meeting (Festival of Praise) ... the Drummer was doing a sound check ... he was playing around with the Toms ... i heard someone behind me said perturbedly ... "What kind of drum beat is that? Sounds very Tribal ... " :/

You can't blame people for being sensitive ... just rock on.

 

[Creeping_Deth]

Haha, reminds me of when someone said I sounded like a malay wedding when i soloed in harmonic minor.

 

[guitarman78]

yes yes .... i have exactly the same comments when i tried to sound like Santana ... i hope i was a good imitation though ... haha.

 

[exin]

christian bands:

project 86
demon hunter
zao
still breathing
underoath
eso-charis
living sacrifice
stretch arm strong
extol
soul embraced
embodyment
narcissus
norma jean (originally luti-kriss)
blindside
few left standing
society's finest
soapbox
3rd root
p.o.d.


every single band ranging from rock to death metal...
names in bold are a few of my fave... do check em out.

there's a tonne more though...

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hm .. from what i understand P.O.D. is not Christian . they are rastafarians .. a form of religion that fuses Christianity, Hinduism and other new age religions together ...

Bob Marley was Rasta .. they are distinguished by their signature dreadlocks hairstyle ...

 

[exin]

I think Satanism is all in the mind ... Jesus only rebuke one catogory off people during his Ministry ... they are the Pharisees ... and it's sad to see the Phariseerical tradition being passed on ... now who's the real satanist?

You sure Jesus just rebuke the Pharisee ONLY? What about the legions of demons in the man that Jesus rebuked and the legions of demon fled into the hordes of pigs and killed themselves? What about the evil spirit in the boy that was torturing him and tried to kill him time and again; throwing him into the fire and water and the parents of the boy pleaded with Jesus to set the boy free?

Dude ... read your gospels ...

Exin: Jesus rebuked Pharisees ... he didn't rebuke the Prostitutes, Tax collectors and Roman Soldiers. That is the point i am trying to bring across, nothing to do with Demons and principalities of darkness. I think you need to chill and relax on your Sarcasm on the thread ... and trust me boy ... I have read thru the Gospels ...

I think i may have misread your words .. i'm sorry then ...

 

[nkf31]

just an innocent question: would you let your kids (KIDS, not young adults etc) listen to rock bands? espcially those that glorify questionable values?

 

[MackSonne]

Haha I might consider if he or she shows to have an indepedent thinking process in his mind... Makes him a better person!

 

[Panopticon-3]

why not? he would eventually listen to it someday, a few years later anyway