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"*Jackson USA custom Shop craftsmanship"
Yes, I agree with Bob. This is misleading.
Checking with Bob's post again, he also mentioned the rusts on the Floyd Rose.

Now, I don't know who is smoking who, but I think Bobster won't be too foolish to try to "scam" people .
Same thing with the counterfiet ES-335
As I said in that thread, it would be much easier for the "scammer" to make a new account, sell the product, then disappear.
Now, I'm not doubting Bobster.

Although I DO find some things a little suspicoius.
Now, let's remove Chae out of this picture completely. Cause apart from him firing the first shot of this thread, the real issue is between Bardu and Bobster.

While searching through Bardu's backlog, I chanced on the fact that he tried to sell the guitar, pretty unsuccessfully.

Link 1, and http://soft.com.sg/forum/guitar-buy-sell/120114-sale-gorgeous-jackon-usa-soloist-sl2h-repost.html

Now, look at Link 2. That was written sometime May this year. It had been specifically said that he couldn't afford trades anymore. Link 1, being more recent, did not say the same thing.

One question: What makes him change his mind about trades?

Furthermore, his first ever post was written only this year. Which also makes me wonder, in between the time he joined and the time he first posted, which is a time space of two years, what was he doing exactly in that time frame? I have my doubts to his character

Checking on eBay, yes. the guitar is going for close to about 1.7K USD to 2.3K USD. So what's wrong with him selling it at 3.2k SGD?

Note to bardu:
Don't mind but take a photo of the Fender in question and put it up here for all to see, just to ensure that you're not trying to pull wool over our eyes
 
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I don't think there is anything wrong with him posting no trade and than a few mths later no prob with trades.

Alot of softie did that.
I did that as well cos some people prefer to trade + top-up.
 
theliverevolution - i cant give u any more points leh! but that, that was cool. wayyy cool.. detective at work.. the next time some feud like this appears.. we'll call upon SOFT's detective, that is you my fren.. :D
 
My findings on Bob (to be fair)

Lol, not any detective. Just found it odd that there are too many points differing too greatly... and suddenly the french guy appears out of nowhere. a bit too co-incidental?

Anyway, preliminary findings on Bobster's backlog/profile

Start with his profile; its easiest
On his profile page, you notice that two people actually THANK him for the products that they dealed with. The more recent post didn't have Bob's reply, unless you decide to view their conversation
Now, gibson335, please help me with this and verify how much you bought the ooh wah pedal for. Bob already stated that it went cheap, but how cheap? No one knows. Whatever the case is, gibson335 never refuted the claim about the pedal being cheap. And since he bought the pedal, no complaints, well, what the hell. Its probably factual

Now, backlog time
It's quite clear that Bob does quite a fair bit of selling of equipment. Now, there's nothing wrong with buying a gear and reselling it - after all people make money from that. And there are buyers. No buyers, investment waster =/
Anyway, Bob sometimes manages to sell his equipmrnt, sometimes, he fails.

Now, to go to those "scam" claims:
1) As I mentioned earlier, its easier for Bob to make a new account, sell the item, then disappear if he wanted to scam people.
2) He always puts pictures up. Ooh, fair enough, everyone does it, but it adds to his credibility.
3) He always LEAVES HIS HANDPHONE NUMBER FOR YOU TO FREAKING SMS HIM.
If he was really "scamming" people, then would he foolish to leave his number lying around? The number is probably registered in his name, and even pre-paid cards need to be registered under a name nowadays. Scam? Bring the number to the police or the service provider, and that's enough to verify his details.

So, with all these findings (I'm still trying to dig more out) I find it hard to believe Bob would want to cheat people.
It only makes me more adamant that Bob is really telling the truth
 
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theliverevolution said:
One question: What makes him change his mind about trades?

Furthermore, his first ever post was written only this year. Which also makes me wonder, in between the time he joined and the time he first posted, which is a time space of two years, what was he doing exactly in that time frame? I have my doubts to his character
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I don't see what these two points have to do with anything? How does him deciding he'd want trades make it a "minus point" on his side? Loads of people do that. They have a hard time selling something so they decide to accept trades to hopefully get what they want either way. And doubts to his character because perhaps he was browsing the forums? Saying that he's not trustworthy because he created an account to surf forums is just ridiculous.

Now I am in no way accusing anyone of anything, in fact I've had problem-free deals with Bob and he seems like a perfectly honest seller. But as I said earlier, why intentionally reduce the value of your guitar? Why would bardu say that it's not a custom shop model if it actually is? It seems that they'd have nothing to gain from these claims of "scamming", and to me it just seems like a misunderstanding of the specs. Although there still leaves the discrepancy in price..but then again it's up to Bobster to price it as he sees fit.
 
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But how much is it purchase for? if bob really purchase at 1.8k, than perhaps chae was just preventing ppl from getting rip off. Chae might be just trying to help us out.
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Well i got this initially from City music years ago at 3.5k SGD was a nice deal with city music at that time when they brought in many nice looking jacksons and charvel. which was like in year 2000 or so didnt really remember. after which jackson was sold to fender citymusic began to loose the dealership. as this guitar was then sold due to certain issues ie: "dent" and buzzing problems after playing it for 5 years or so !!! i know i should have let this thread gone by and it wont serve me any purpose but to instill flamming job here?. frankly speaking who would like to get "conned" by someone selling it at such a high ridiculous price? and beisdes misleading info to be customshop jackson, carved top and having the certification of this product? which is not the case ! guys here whoever i hope please dont turn this forum into a black market !!! lol thanks
 
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I wonder what went on in the mind of bardu when he stepped forth to justify himself. Bobster has gentlemanly not mentioned his name, and we probably will never know who the elusive french man is as long as neither bobster nor chae reveal his nick. The heated argument was initially between chae and bobster, and bardu was blissfully excluded. However, when bardu revealed himself, our attention shifted to bobster and bardu, and all hell broke loose. If bardu just ignored this issue and sat in the shadow, the frenchman will continue to be that elusive frenchman, and there will be no one to ascertain and verify either of bobster's or chae's claim, and this thread will probably have died long ago. The moment bardu revealed himself, he has doomed himself into a terrible mess.

I believe many of us who are aware of this issue would have already noted chae's intention. Your thread has served its purpose, whether softies take it or leave it is up is up to them, maybe you should let the matter rest. As for bobster, I pity you. Whether you are vindicated or not, your reputation as an awesome seller/buyer has been tainted
 
Thanks theliverevolution for such an assessment!

Well, reputation or not, at least this brings about a few lessons for me and i'm definitely starting to look at details of stuff more now. Scamming or not i think we're clear on that now. Well Chae - I'm not gonna flare up with you for not pming first etc.. or even with you taking quite a harsh tone which i believe is uncalled for. For one, i didnt even know you existed in this transaction.

Well this has been quite a story and this guitar truly has a story to tell. Nonetheless, it has to go mainly cos its not the guitar i'm after. This time round, full details will be presented etc.. i'd price it accordingly.

Getting back to checking out on my friends or gibson335 etc.. I'd appreciate it if you guys wouldn't get them involved. Its pointless anyway. Out of curiousity - The ooh wah was sold for $360. Good deal or not, its up to you.

I believe the case is closed now - in fact i may have a pending deal for the jackson already!

Well thanks for the loads of feedback - mostly positive ones, kudos to the soft community!

Cheers,
Bob
 
Bobster said:
Thanks theliverevolution for such an assessment!


Well this has been quite a story and this guitar truly has a story to tell. Nonetheless, it has to go mainly cos its not the guitar i'm after. This time round, full details will be presented etc.. i'd price it accordingly.

Well thanks for the loads of feedback - mostly positive ones, kudos to the soft community!

Cheers,
Bob
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well bobster then i hope you definately priced it reasonably for the price you got it for and plus the number of hands this guitar has been with and for. and shooting up the price for 1k more is indeed too much ... hope this community is not a trade and get rich kinda market. if so its just too foul to be.

hope both bobster and bardu have settled things down in good terms and i am not here to once spoil the reptuation of bobster i believe everyone has his or her second chance. thanks
 
Well its not very nice to reveal that someone is trying to make an extra 1k off a guitar he got second hand....but at least now ppl know and whether they think its worth it or not, lets leave it to their discerning minds.

I can get a DS-1 for 10 bucks and sell it for 50....and its still a good fair deal.
 
velvetrevolver said:
come on where's the credits!? its all over thanks to theliverevolution. :)
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LOL i afk for one day and the saga is over already? I've barely even finished digging up stuff.

Oh well I'll just leave it as it is then. CASE CLOSED

P.S: To those who were wondering why I found the fact that he suddenly accepted trades was that it did not seem to match with bobster's story of the bardu going back to france. If we presume that Bobster was telling the truth and that Bardu was going back to france and wanted a quick deal, why would he accept another guitar? Either way he has to pay to ship it back to France.
Well, that's what I tot. Oh well

CASE CLOSED
THIS THREAD IS CLOSED. LOCK THREAD. DELETE
 
just read this thread today and wasn't able to join the discussion on time, still i want to share my experience doing business with bob, but first comments on all i read so far:

- you can sell how much you think is the item worth regardless of how much you bought it, it's not a rip off, if you think the guy who sold it to you sold it too cheap then good for you, you can earn some $
- if you bought something without knowledge of how much it's really worth (which is relative) then later found out in the forum that you should've only paid a lot less then too bad, you didn't research well enough (or you don't know your stuff)
- if you make a living out of soft (which is actually a musician's site) then you're clever, you found a way to earn money by exploiting other ppl's ignorance, but still i think you have the right
- if you use incorrect information to help you sell the item to a price you want then that's scamming.... if you can sugar-coat the facts to make the item more sellable at a higher price then that's marketing talent, but to use lies to make it more attractive is, again, scam
- if fellow soft'ers think the information would help other "ignorant" soft'ers make a "fair" deal then i don't think informing the members is foul, anyway, if the poster is fabricating stories that don't add up, it will surely backfire on him

back to my story, i bought an amplifier from bob just this month, initially described as mint, he told me he bought it from swee lee 2 to 3 years back, but upon seeing the item, it wasn't really "mint" the fact that it was repainted, yes bob, i know the corners should be chrome and the metal on the handle should also be chrome if it was really a "bedroom amp and not used for gigs" seeing that the speakers were hh invaders it definitely wasn't from 2 to 3 years back since laney replaced the speakers to jensens or celestions for the 12" models way back

also while testing, the clean channel pops and i was told by bob that it was due to old preamp valves, but when i got home, since i'm an "electronics engineer" i confidently open the amp and inspected for myself, which shows me a replaced clean volume potentiometer with a cheap one, and the soldering is messy especially with the "bright" switch which looks like it was done by a newbie (plastic melted etc.), also the screws at the side to mount the chassis to the cabinet (all of them - 4) was missing (which caused the amp chassis to sway) - well i was able to find replacement for these but not the black ones in aljunied whew!, i also asked bob about this but seems he doesn't know that there were screws there before (seems odd if you were the first owner), while the amp was exposed i confirmed that it was indeed repainted since the chrome panel has a lot of messy black paint

the other thing i didn't appreaciate with this deal was that at the last minute, he asked me to increase the price to $50 more since (according to him) he replaced the 4 power valves which cost him $100, when in fact i offered my price and i told him that i welcome a rejection of my offer if it was not acceptable, this again didn't add up since he said in the post "tubes have just been replaced and the amp has never been used since then due to my Matchless Chieftain" well then if it was replaced already why the need to replace again?

my point is, too many inconsistencies with dealing with you bob, whether you're making business here or just your hobby is not the issue, either way i think you should always be honest in all your information

anyway, the bottom line in our deal was that the sound of the amp is still good for me (given all info i mentioned since the sound is what i'm after), well initially i thought i was getting a very cheap amp considering it was "mint" but i think the deal ended up as "fair" or maybe a "little" over priced :rolleyes:

-no flaming intended, just sharing facts (according to me) of my deal with bob

bob, you know who i am and you can mention my name and post an answer to all my claims, no problem, i just post because i feel i have the obligation to share my story in this thread for members to be informed, i don't mind dealing with you again if you have something of my interest :cool:
 
I've just read your newest post chiknrice and all i can say is huh?

What is this? I believe i've wrote it in the ad clearly that i'll replace tubes only when a buyer is met (you). All the other stuff is not due to me, this was bought by my friend from Swee Lee and he passed it to me, what are you talking about? Please do not just join this fray simply, the issue with this thread has already been settled. You've got a really good deal for your amp, $700 for a Laney VC30 2x10?! Comeon man, i clearly believe i have my facts right on this one. Of course i do not play it - whats a Matchless Chieftain for?!

I'm simply tired of this, this clearly has no lack of inconsistencies. Moreover, I even showed and went through with you every single detail of the amp. I even opened it up for you to show you how to change tubes?!

Thanks, enough said. What is your motive in your post? Seriously, there are too many two-faced people around.
Bob
 
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