So, i've been flamed/hit at/etc..

[dioswkg]

I think their explanation on the origin of the guitar is good enough and also benefit softies.

What if Bob sold the guitar and the person bought it thought it is a limited edition and more yada yada yada.
Show off to his friend and his friend goes "You stupid is it?! That's not a limited edition! Yada yada yada" :mrgreen:

He feel cheated.
Call Bob.
Bob tells him, that guitar he trade with one French dude and that dude tell him it's limited edition.

More yada yada, someone lawyer sis will come in and take the matter to the police :mrgreen:.

So NOT to make that happen, we now know that it is not a limited edition as stated by the original owner.
Anyone wants to buy it for stated price are welcome to go for it just make sure you know the origin of the guitar.

:idea:

 

[wyldeboon]

it's because chae felt bob was misleading potential buyers it's as simple as that.

then chae should pm bob.
if u can see under notices in any buy n sell sections,it states-
Dear _______, I have disabled the reply function in Buy/Sell section. Any enquires about the item listed should be communicated via PM.Thanks.James (SOFT)

if tat doesnt make sense then...
i do reli think we need a thread,sticky or wateva for...

'how to feedback/kpo2/inform-rest-of-the world/comment on BUYnSELL'

OR

activate the reply button for buy n sell

 

[Ex14]

then chae should pm bob.
if u can see under notices in any buy n sell sections,it states-
Dear _______, I have disabled the reply function in Buy/Sell section. Any enquires about the item listed should be communicated via PM.Thanks.James (SOFT)

if tat doesnt make sense then...
i do reli think we need a thread,sticky or wateva for...

'how to feedback/kpo2/inform-rest-of-the world/comment on BUYnSELL'

OR

activate the reply button for buy n sell

If u ask me u're the Kpo one here.

At least Chae was doing something with a reason/purpose.

PMing bob wouldn't serve to inform the rest of the members right?

personally there isn't anything wrong when ppl stand up for what the believe in and i have seen this done quite a no. of times on soft.

 

[mikemann]

I have no idea i dealt with a true french con-artist - a guy who wanted a damn quick deal since he was moving back to France.

Hi bob, Firstly you are very rude by calling people name and passing your own judgement. A defendent or plantiff makes his own claim, but the judge & jury decide, on the evidence.

If you guys want to jump the gun on me, go ahead and believe both Chae and Bardu.

Secondly, by going thru the past postings by Bardu and Chae. Their story check out so far. Please note that all the postings have a date stamp and if its re-edited, it will reflect at the bottom. Bardu postings are original, and not re-edited. Yours on the other hand have being re-edited. This is one point of consideration.

Just to help some people understand better - I've never had a need for quick money or profit from this whole guitar market on soft. I mean come on, whats there to earn when this is just a hobby for me. Go ahead and look at my setup..

Thirdly, people do not need to know your adgenda of sale, thus its not a valid plea. But Bardu has substainiated the fact that you have reposted the same guitar he sold to you for sale at a much higher price within a few days of buying from him. From the pics it can be seen to be the same guitar.

Rest assured, once i'm done selling all my unused stuff here, i'll not bother with the buy/sell cos of such incidents.

Again no validity at all. Its a known fact that in forum anyone can just re-register another nick and pose as a different user.

From the thread, it seem that Bardu and Chae have made a more valid claim than bob.

Behind the computer, anyone can claim anything he want to claim to be, talk the talk. But to walk the walk, how many are there?

This is the main reason I almost stop posting. I hope all can ponder a little, and post sensibly. Make this world a better place. Wastage of bandwidth is the same as wasting earth limited resources.

Sorry, I have to speak out. Peace all.

 

[wyldeboon]

If u ask me u're the Kpo one here.

At least Chae was doing something with a reason/purpose.

PMing bob wouldn't serve to inform the rest of the members right?

personally there isn't anything wrong when ppl stand up for what the believe in and i have seen this done quite a no. of times on soft.

of course there is nothing wrong for ppl to stand up or wateva it is. and yes i've seen a lot of those too,which resulting to tis kind of interesting threads.
tat is y at the 1st place the post reply button in the buy n sell section is unactive.
tat is why james inform EVERYONE tat any enquiries, do it VIA PM.

if there are millions like urself n chae n me n A-Z 'suspect' things and wanna inform the universe abt it, tis will be a complain!, beware! site.

and yes, i is a kpo. so is everybody else which includes u. coz u replied here like an extra, just like me.


i love u

 

[Ex14]

of course there is nothing wrong for ppl to stand up or wateva it is. and yes i've seen a lot of those too,which resulting to tis kind of interesting threads.
tat is y at the 1st place the post reply button in the buy n sell section is unactive.
tat is why james inform EVERYONE tat any enquiries, do it VIA PM.

if there are millions like urself n chae n me n A-Z 'suspect' things and wanna inform the universe abt it, tis will be a complain!, beware! site.

and yes, i is a kpo. so is everybody else which includes u. coz u replied here like an extra, just like me.


i love u

Yea i extra. anyway i apologise if i sounded harsh. no hard feelings man =D
D

 

[Lovehurts]

Wah! Boonz loves who ah? Not me ah? haha... :mrgreen:

 

[wyldeboon]

Yea i extra. anyway i apologise if i sounded harsh. no hard feelings man =D
D

i oso extra,no worries. its all abt discussion


Lovehurts: ok la... u la...

 

[Batlovesowl]

But how much is it purchase for? if bob really purchase at 1.8k, than perhaps chae was just preventing ppl from getting rip off. Chae might be just trying to help us out.

 

[velvetrevolver]

boon, wat bout me?

 

[fgl]

boonz luvs the dudes more that the duddettes

 

[infekcion]

In the first place, why would Bardu and Chae even "gang up" against bobster? For the sake of entertainment? Obviously something is wrong here. And judging by the fact that Bardu got the guitar from Chae for 1.8k, and NOT in France really clears everything up. It's obvious who's making up stories.

 

[guitarsan]

But how much is it purchase for? if bob really purchase at 1.8k, than perhaps chae was just preventing ppl from getting rip off. Chae might be just trying to help us out.

Bob can sell it at 1.8K or 3.2K or even 10K. And if there's a willing buyer willing to pay at this price, then it's not a ripoff......provided the guitar is exactly what it claimed to be.

However in this case, Bob falsely claimed the guitar to be Custom Shop, limited piece and mint condition.....and then try to sell it at an inflated 3.2K. And usually a "Custom Shop" model itself would command a premium price for most brands. Well, I rather not speculate but let you figure out his intention.

 

[wyldeboon]

boon, wat bout me?

ok ok. u oso k...

 

[Ized]

Woo another mud-slinging match...

gogo Gossip Girl!

This is why I dislike buying guitars second hand...especially when the origins and technical specs are so easily disputable!

Looks like we have a case of dishonest seller/buyer here. Misrepresentation and misleading potential buyers is worse than ripping people off though. You are free to set any price you want. But you better get your facts right.

 

[Batlovesowl]

However I think that near to a 80% increase in buying price for an item needs to be break down seriously and explain where the 80% of money goes to "upgrading? servicing? shipment?" etc.

A quoted price must have its reason and value for the product made. Of cos someone will buy it willingly, but years later or months after he will realise that he can actually affort to purchase the same item with same quaility at a lower price. Is consider a rip-off. Regardless if description matched, unless the seller warn the buyer b4 hand that it is more expensive than market price.

 

[infekcion]

Looks like we have a case of dishonest seller/buyer here. Misrepresentation and misleading potential buyers is worse than ripping people off though. You are free to set any price you want. But you better get your facts right.

+1. False information of product leading to higher % of selling the product is soo wrong.. conscience much?

 

[Ang3L]

Indirectly, Chae's trying to help us, forumers..
May all ends well for both parties..

Tig3r

 

[Bobster]

Let me clarify some stuff once and for all:

1. The guitar is no custom shop - i put this in no intent to scam someone. Bardu's post here: http://soft.com.sg/forum/guitar-buy-sell/129339-[wts]-gorgeous-jackson-usa-sl2h-[wts].html
misled me to thinking in such a way.

2.I didnt come up with the figure of 2.5k Euros for scamming intent. Bardu on that day told me about this so i as i said, i was merely restating whatever i've heard and believed (reasons in my initial post).

3.Why did i post it at $3.2k? Simply put - Check ebay and musiciansfriend just for starters - the price justifies it. Moreover, this comes without the ugly ghost flames which go for that price.

4.bardu - in honesty, i did want to play metal but in honesty, this feels no different than my suhr that i already have. The only differences are in the pickups and the no. of frets (suhr 22, jackson - 24).

5.When i said mint - i mentioned the rust as well and i CLEARLY took pictures of them as well.

6.I'm not gonna pass judgements that quickly on impulse as what i did (french con artist etc) as what Mikemann has stated clearly. But bardu - i believed you said you were the original owner as well.

Its my fault as well that i didnt double check all this details out. But i'm definitely sure - no malicious or scamming intent was intended for and about profit making - i sincerely used the basis of ebay and musicians friend to price and check this guitar out reasonably. As many of you have stated - i believe its my right.

For the many of you here that have been involved etc.. I'm looking back at this in retrospect and trying to pick up as many lessons from this. The reactions from me initially i believe is warranted by my first 'flame/beware' thread that was to me definitely personal.

Thanks for reading,
Bob

 

[ge3k]

after reading every post, it just re-emphasizes to do your homework before doing a transaction. =D or juz buy first hand from the music shops.