Rocker ban because of past crime..
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think no one blaming the yellow ribbon
we are just 'sad' and 'disappointed' (a mild version of what we felt) that they (who?) always keep on talking about 2nd chance .. yellow ribbon yet did not do what they preach
if they wanna show us a good example, they should start it first
we singaporean always follow instruction right ?, they do, we sure follow
KissMyAxe
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That is the point. Yellow Ribbon didnt do anything. They should have done something to help ex-convict back into the society. Where are they anyway?
All preach and no action..better dont exist if you cant help some helpless souls
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KissMyAxe
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I am sure there are other ex-convicts who are in the same predicament as him, example getting jobs. Preaching is one thing but doing it is another thing.
This is one instance. I am sure there are hundreds of other instances elsewhere
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gothviruz
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Yellow Ribbon Project is aimed at unlocking the 'second prison' of ex-convicts.
The Prisons Dept, SCORE, MHA, etc worked to achieve this. But whether it works or not, depends on the society itself.
Society = us ... and the organiser of the event.
In other words, the organiser need to be educated on this Yellow Ribbon thingy.
The Prisons Dept, SCORE, MHA, etc worked to achieve this. But whether it works or not, depends on the society itself.
Society = us ... and the organiser of the event.
In other words, the organiser need to be educated on this Yellow Ribbon thingy.
I think it is very unfair to put down Yellow Ribbon like this. They are the ones who are helping the ex-con to integrate back into the society and here we are trying to discredit their organisation.
KissMyAxe, YR could do more, but how much more? Do we want them to shovel down everyone's throat and force everyone to obey their decision? No, they promote and encourage the idea, it is up to us to put it into action.
leecs, don't have YR also can. Wait for you to organise.
KissMyAxe, YR could do more, but how much more? Do we want them to shovel down everyone's throat and force everyone to obey their decision? No, they promote and encourage the idea, it is up to us to put it into action.
leecs, don't have YR also can. Wait for you to organise.
snuffleupagus
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All is not lost-The furore/rants and controversy created over this incident will hopefully impact/influence future national events. So yeah, awareness created, from the grassroots level up. So for the action, its up to the organisers.
By the way on another note, what criteria does one have to fulfill to be eligible for the YR program?For all crimes or only non violent/serious crimes? How about serious crimes that were committed previously because of the psychological make-up of the person?Are they exempt from this program? For example- released terrorists(are they really rehabilitated?) to plan/attend mass events. Therefore its really a gray area I guess.
By the way on another note, what criteria does one have to fulfill to be eligible for the YR program?For all crimes or only non violent/serious crimes? How about serious crimes that were committed previously because of the psychological make-up of the person?Are they exempt from this program? For example- released terrorists(are they really rehabilitated?) to plan/attend mass events. Therefore its really a gray area I guess.
adly
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i think no blame should be put on the YR project. it is merely a campaign like any other to encourage us to accept ex-convicts amongst our midst and give them another chance in life. if the organisers base their actions on such a premise, it just goes to show how ignorant they are towards such a meaningful campaign. like so what if he's an ex-convict? not as if he just committed the crime like few hours or days ago and its not as if he's gonna whip out a gun and shoot down everyone at the event 
all he wants to do is to grace the event and perform luh..
all he wants to do is to grace the event and perform luh..BleedsNoMore
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shinobi
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there's the yellow ribbon project, but ex cons still find it hard to get honest work
there's the "5 day work week", but who in the private sector here actually works 5 day work weeks?
employers are urged to give their female employees longer maternity leave... but pregnant employees are still given the sack, and women in general are discriminated in the industry
discrimination is everywhere in singapore. there is no liberty, no freedom, no human rights. the people are always the ones who suffer. we work for a greater good called the nation, and yet the ones who benefit keep getting smaller and smaller. does that still make it a 'greater good'?
there's the "5 day work week", but who in the private sector here actually works 5 day work weeks?
employers are urged to give their female employees longer maternity leave... but pregnant employees are still given the sack, and women in general are discriminated in the industry
discrimination is everywhere in singapore. there is no liberty, no freedom, no human rights. the people are always the ones who suffer. we work for a greater good called the nation, and yet the ones who benefit keep getting smaller and smaller. does that still make it a 'greater good'?
subversion
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nah bro... the YR project isn't one to blame, some organizers are wary of their reputation should they involve people of criminal background. they are too concerned with their reputation rather than lending a national campaign to assimilate troubled people a hand.
shinobi
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we have to make a distinction between the system and people who are at the helm. now we are fortunate, or plain lucky to have more or less capable leaders. but that doesn't change the fact that the system is flawed. should individuals eventually spoil the show because of it, the society has itself to blame.
we also have to distinguish the society from the government, which was my main point. no single policy in isolation can be the cause of the behaviour of society, if the government are truly the architects of our environment. do you look at it as a case of the society creating a structure of which we now criticise? or is the behaviour of the society a reaction to the environment that has been constructed around them?
he who instigates this dilemma must accept the blame. do we even know if our government are really oppressive, or do the people demand an oppressive government?
the problem is that we are probably somewhere in between. can we ever solve this problem if we don't know where the problem lies? is it even possible to determine?
my own opinion is that this is a failure of the people due to the existence of a yellow ribbon project. so it doesn't make sense to criticise the YRP. discrimination against ex cons is not something that is obviously politically incorrect. you could say that the law exists for a reason, prison records exist for a reason, and all this could be rationalised and accepted by society.
i give u an example: you could say that ex cons should be given a second chance, to start on a clean slate. but SURELY you would, at the same time, say that repeat offenders must be dealt with more harshly. isn't this a contradiction? now you are saying that while an ex con should be allowed to rehabilitate and restart his life, mistakes that he makes must be more heavily judged. isn't this still discrimination? it is clear that, at the end of the day, we do not want the label attached to ex cons to be erased.
you should ask yourself; where does a society derive its sense of righteousness and morality?
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