AgingYouth
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GrimBrody said:
We thought of printing the Dodgy Gig Organiser T-shirt this year but gotch no money, so no go lah...
Paying to Play - How do you feel about it?
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We thought of printing the Dodgy Gig Organiser T-shirt this year but gotch no money, so no go lah...
Perplexed
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Sorry if I'm quoting a bit too big a chunk.. but this part really caught my eye. I definitely agree that its ridiculous that most people would find paying $10 or more for a gig as being too costly.AgingYouth said:
The various points about forming a collective/consortium's actually a good idea.. more power in numbers, after the local music scene is so small. An issue that I've observed is that bands & organisers in the scene can get quite fragmented, eg, bands always in the same clique/under same organisers.. pooling resources together would help, no?
My 2 cents.. Definitely would love to see the local music scene take off. Cheers.
am quite upset with the gig. didnt manage to sell the last 5 unsold tix, the organisers die die forced us to sell and we had to fork out our own cash. we were supposed to perform at around 7 or 8 but were pushed to the last slot at 10 plus. it seems like we pay to play and the crowd was very disappointing. for those who agreed to my own point of view please dun participate in gigs like this where we had to sell tickets around. this sounds like network marketing where we will get commission if we sold certain amount of tickets. to me this is bullshit. we're no superbands where we have hundreds and thousands of groupies to sell tix to. this is bull$h*#. :lol:
biopromax
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Don't perform for gigs that need to sell tickets. Its a policy to pay the performers or play for free if theres cases like, charity gig or volunteer to gig.
Even if the organizers have sort of cash to pay the performers, the least is not to have the bands to sell the tix themself. Even so, selling 10 tickets is ok for performers like me. But 30 tickets to be sold? and it cost 10 bucks ?
No WAY man. and yes, was given only 5 days to do so. And the gig is on a weekdays.
I still owe the organizers money for not selling the Tickets. I think its a bit too much.
And I was threatened that Im gonna be sued for not covering the amount of tickets. Thats So... sigh sigh...
So my advise is, Dont Take The Risk
My 1 cent worth of thoughts.
ps: Im not here to offend anyone. Thanks Softies!
ps: The amount of tickets we didnt manage to sell is 40 tickets.! thats like times 10 bucks.!!
Don't perform for gigs that need to sell tickets. Its a policy to pay the performers or play for free if theres cases like, charity gig or volunteer to gig.
Even if the organizers have sort of cash to pay the performers, the least is not to have the bands to sell the tix themself. Even so, selling 10 tickets is ok for performers like me. But 30 tickets to be sold? and it cost 10 bucks ?
No WAY man. and yes, was given only 5 days to do so. And the gig is on a weekdays.
I still owe the organizers money for not selling the Tickets. I think its a bit too much.
And I was threatened that Im gonna be sued for not covering the amount of tickets. Thats So... sigh sigh...
So my advise is, Dont Take The Risk
My 1 cent worth of thoughts.
ps: Im not here to offend anyone. Thanks Softies!
ps: The amount of tickets we didnt manage to sell is 40 tickets.! thats like times 10 bucks.!!
AgingYouth
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Eh, a word of advice from a DGO (Dodgy Gig Organiser).
If you are entering into a contract with anyone, make sure that what you know what you are getting into. If you are to sell 50 tickets, then you'd have to sell 50 tickets.
However, if you were promised a 830pm time slot with a guaranteed backline (Ampeg bass stack, DW drumset, etc...), you can always back out of any show if this is not provided. Of course, only if you have all these terms and conditions locked down in the artiste agreement contract.
Remember the contract is here to protect both sides' interests.
Other than that, WELCOME TO THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF SHOW-BUSINESS!!!
If you are entering into a contract with anyone, make sure that what you know what you are getting into. If you are to sell 50 tickets, then you'd have to sell 50 tickets.
However, if you were promised a 830pm time slot with a guaranteed backline (Ampeg bass stack, DW drumset, etc...), you can always back out of any show if this is not provided. Of course, only if you have all these terms and conditions locked down in the artiste agreement contract.
Remember the contract is here to protect both sides' interests.
Other than that, WELCOME TO THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF SHOW-BUSINESS!!!
avenging_angel
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My two cents worth
Ok. This is how I see the subject. In my view there is nothing wrong with this practice. Its basically a business contract. Business can run however they feel like unless they are breaking the law. In this case the business has set out the terms and conditions. Anyone who signs the contract obviously has read the terms and conditions, or else why sign it at all?
However I do understand why some bands will feel hard done by when they don't sell enough tickets. I mean we would all rather all go to gigs for free and enjoy ourselves. I've been to Weekend Trip at Youth Park on many an occasion. But I've also paid to see bands at gigs. Its my choice. But if no one wants to pay, might as well jam at home and invite all your best friends to see you. But someones got to supply the equipment. Drums, cables, lighting etc. Its not a free lunch.
Now, having been to gigs here and overseas I know people will pay to go to gigs. Its a consumer choice. Now they way I see it I think places like the Gashaus are great for bands but I think they need to change a few things a bit. Firstly, lets not cram so many bands into one day. I know its a noble way to get newbie bands in but its just not realistic. If you have to, set aside one day a week for all these bands to perform. Prefrebly on Sunday or early Saturday. On Friday and Saturdays have more established bands perform there as the 'headline act' then have a few other unknown bands be the supporting acts.
For example we could have Rudra play there as the headline act supported by a few more bands. Two or three would suffice. Or dare I say it maybe get Killswitch Engage to perform there. I know, probably not but who wouldn't pay to see them perform. People will pay top dollar and the supporting acts will get a good commission.
Look at the gig with Cluster Bomb Unit. Now if you get more of these type of bands to perform at Gashaus or whatever club thats willing to get them in it will pack the crowds in week after week. And I think if you stick with this model people will eventually accept it. Or theres always weekend trip to go to
Ok. This is how I see the subject. In my view there is nothing wrong with this practice. Its basically a business contract. Business can run however they feel like unless they are breaking the law. In this case the business has set out the terms and conditions. Anyone who signs the contract obviously has read the terms and conditions, or else why sign it at all?
However I do understand why some bands will feel hard done by when they don't sell enough tickets. I mean we would all rather all go to gigs for free and enjoy ourselves. I've been to Weekend Trip at Youth Park on many an occasion. But I've also paid to see bands at gigs. Its my choice. But if no one wants to pay, might as well jam at home and invite all your best friends to see you. But someones got to supply the equipment. Drums, cables, lighting etc. Its not a free lunch.
Now, having been to gigs here and overseas I know people will pay to go to gigs. Its a consumer choice. Now they way I see it I think places like the Gashaus are great for bands but I think they need to change a few things a bit. Firstly, lets not cram so many bands into one day. I know its a noble way to get newbie bands in but its just not realistic. If you have to, set aside one day a week for all these bands to perform. Prefrebly on Sunday or early Saturday. On Friday and Saturdays have more established bands perform there as the 'headline act' then have a few other unknown bands be the supporting acts.
For example we could have Rudra play there as the headline act supported by a few more bands. Two or three would suffice. Or dare I say it maybe get Killswitch Engage to perform there. I know, probably not but who wouldn't pay to see them perform. People will pay top dollar and the supporting acts will get a good commission.
Look at the gig with Cluster Bomb Unit. Now if you get more of these type of bands to perform at Gashaus or whatever club thats willing to get them in it will pack the crowds in week after week. And I think if you stick with this model people will eventually accept it. Or theres always weekend trip to go to
playingplay
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didnt u guys realise this all happen after gas haus is open? the scene is exploited...!!!!!
i mean if the organizer ask favour from the band is ok.. but than a must? a rule that all band must sell? what is this? using us as ur slave?
refer to my thread : my gig experiance at gas haus.
i mean if the organizer ask favour from the band is ok.. but than a must? a rule that all band must sell? what is this? using us as ur slave?
refer to my thread : my gig experiance at gas haus.
biopromax
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yeah
If selling 10 tickets is ok for us bands.
But 30 tickets is too much. Im just advising to all those bands, read the AGREEMENT carefully.
We are not being paid to perform if the tix are not being sold. Minimum 30.
And 2 bucks for every tickets sold after 30 is being sold.
Thats Like 50-30=20
20 x 2 = 40 ...... 40 bucks per band as commision? sigh sigh..
Think About It.
The bands performed for you, cause they want to help you to make the gig a success. But don't overdo it by asking US to sell the tickets. If you can get people to perform, why not get people to buy the tickets ? We know its hard for you guys, But at least set the amount of tickets to be sold at 10 tickets per band.
ITS HARD TO SELL TICKETS WHEN THE PERIOD TO SELL IS ONLY 5 DAYS.!!
If selling 10 tickets is ok for us bands.
But 30 tickets is too much. Im just advising to all those bands, read the AGREEMENT carefully.
We are not being paid to perform if the tix are not being sold. Minimum 30.
And 2 bucks for every tickets sold after 30 is being sold.
Thats Like 50-30=20
20 x 2 = 40 ...... 40 bucks per band as commision? sigh sigh..
Think About It.
The bands performed for you, cause they want to help you to make the gig a success. But don't overdo it by asking US to sell the tickets. If you can get people to perform, why not get people to buy the tickets ? We know its hard for you guys, But at least set the amount of tickets to be sold at 10 tickets per band.
ITS HARD TO SELL TICKETS WHEN THE PERIOD TO SELL IS ONLY 5 DAYS.!!
playingplay
Banned
wad u mention here is the same like wad i tryin to tell u all in my own thread "my gig experiance at gas haus"
and u are force to cover for unsold ticket? woah how i am gald i wasnt you...
lucky i dun have to perform at that place anymore...
and u are force to cover for unsold ticket? woah how i am gald i wasnt you...
lucky i dun have to perform at that place anymore...
playingplay
Banned
expoliting, selling the band... is all i have to say.. now u guys see the same situation as me, please support my movement in stopping all these b*stard organizer..
playingplay
Banned
come on use your brain... no one can sell 40 tickets! this is too much. like i say in my thread, they dun care about u, they are just using you guys. 
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