Metal in Singapore's Society...
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MadWerewolfBoy
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imho, i don't think "it's all about the money" wrong... its just that we should look at it the other way round...
in context of singaporeans and local bands:
mainstream music gigs are feasible, cuz 1stly, ppl are willing to pay (relatively high) $$ to go there... 2ndly, there are a lot of people who would go to these performances... people don't need to know how to play these music to like these kinda music... so in the end, big audience..
moving on with rock... pure rock concerts are also feasible but not so, compared to mainstream stuff... people are willing to pay $$ but not so high for it... people who like rock music most probably know how to play it... but there are also quite a number who don't... so there'll still be audiences...
now on to metal... metal concerts become not so feasible... cuz people are willing to pay$$ but not so high, and not a lot of people like/would go to these concerts. people who like metal most probably know how to play it and thus, will most probably appear in these gigs as performers rather than audience... so audience is small..
from the organisers point of view, assuming they have to pay the same amt of cash to rent a place and to organise a big scale event, mainstream = $$$ making, rock concerts = charity (little profit) and metal = lose $$...
wuld sum1 be so kind to donate his $$ to rent a place and organise a large scale metal concert?
the problem is not soley on organisers fault but more on the low demand of metal... low demand = cannot have large scale concerts...
AND the problem also lies on the prejudice against metal... people think its satanic before hearing it... :roll:
in context of singaporeans and local bands:
mainstream music gigs are feasible, cuz 1stly, ppl are willing to pay (relatively high) $$ to go there... 2ndly, there are a lot of people who would go to these performances... people don't need to know how to play these music to like these kinda music... so in the end, big audience..
moving on with rock... pure rock concerts are also feasible but not so, compared to mainstream stuff... people are willing to pay $$ but not so high for it... people who like rock music most probably know how to play it... but there are also quite a number who don't... so there'll still be audiences...
now on to metal... metal concerts become not so feasible... cuz people are willing to pay$$ but not so high, and not a lot of people like/would go to these concerts. people who like metal most probably know how to play it and thus, will most probably appear in these gigs as performers rather than audience... so audience is small..
from the organisers point of view, assuming they have to pay the same amt of cash to rent a place and to organise a big scale event, mainstream = $$$ making, rock concerts = charity (little profit) and metal = lose $$...
wuld sum1 be so kind to donate his $$ to rent a place and organise a large scale metal concert?
the problem is not soley on organisers fault but more on the low demand of metal... low demand = cannot have large scale concerts...
AND the problem also lies on the prejudice against metal... people think its satanic before hearing it... :roll:
distorted_soul
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Thats where you're wrong, a separate genre is dedicated to satanic stuff, which is Black Metal... The rest are extreme forms of rock and normal metal... The fathers of metal, black sabbath themselves are mistaken to be satanic when they are the opposite... so yeah...
Its been many years but i hate it when people grimace at my music choice... Oooh its satanic blah blah blah... BS... But at the same time i love to see the subtle form of disgust and anger in most of their faces... tickles my funny bone to consider their ignorance...
Its been many years but i hate it when people grimace at my music choice... Oooh its satanic blah blah blah... BS... But at the same time i love to see the subtle form of disgust and anger in most of their faces... tickles my funny bone to consider their ignorance...
penta-tonic
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subtle. the misspelling tickled me. ahaha.
Ariedartin
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you cant just assume black metal is all about satanism and the occult.
do a little read up and you'll know.
you might never know, even you favourite heroes might have worshiped the devil too.
metal has been constantly stereotyped, you can never change it.
if possible, go watch 'Metal: a headbanger's journey'
do a little read up and you'll know.
you might never know, even you favourite heroes might have worshiped the devil too.
metal has been constantly stereotyped, you can never change it.
if possible, go watch 'Metal: a headbanger's journey'
Tribalcast
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Some vids from Metal: A Headbanger's Journey.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc0Iji_ytZw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxjljKqOpvA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV78dvIL58A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc0Iji_ytZw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxjljKqOpvA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV78dvIL58A
AEnimic
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Must be the scary shaped metal bands use to write their band name on albums 
HEY!!! i'm with getting the metal society to the mainstream...but i think..the first step is TO REALLY MAKE A RADIO STATION THAT PLAYS OUR LOCAL METAL BANDS AND ROCK BANDS...punk bands and emo bands can stay at 987fm...yeah! i really believe that the RADIO is the only way to open up further to the public about metal...
but..there's no metal/rock station..
people are still scared satan would leap out of the speakers and chant the ten commandments in reverse...
HEY!!! i'm with getting the metal society to the mainstream...but i think..the first step is TO REALLY MAKE A RADIO STATION THAT PLAYS OUR LOCAL METAL BANDS AND ROCK BANDS...punk bands and emo bands can stay at 987fm...yeah! i really believe that the RADIO is the only way to open up further to the public about metal...
but..there's no metal/rock station..
people are still scared satan would leap out of the speakers and chant the ten commandments in reverse...Tribalcast
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Ria 89.7 have lah. Don't know how many times this station has been mentioned but nobody seems to remember or bother. Vicious Volume is the name of the show. Just last week they had a special episode dedicated to Jesse Pintado. All the way, nothing but Napalm Death and Terrorizer. Grindcore on radio!
Ken
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I just read some misguided post about how metal is satanic and I decided to at least write a short overview fo the benefit of the less informed, regular metalheads, pls bear with me.
The video Metal, A Headbanger's Journey is a good start.
Secondly,
Metal or even rock was considered satanic because of the use of the Tritone, or whta many call the Devil's note, another misleading phrase that has led to today's ignorance. This harks back to classical music theory after the Renaissance and is a great example of religious anachronism.
Thirdly,
Metal from Europe has its roots in the reclamation of ancient ancestry roots before Christian domination. The Christian conquerors outlawed these practices, called them paganistic. Again, powerplay and politics, for those here more conversant with history. Some metal bands proclaim their "paganistic" roots and act against what they view as cultural domination. Even in Asia, bands like Cthonic strive on reviving Taiwanese Aboriginal language and history before the Chinese Conquerors. All these however made them look "satanic" to an uninformed audience.
Fourthly,
the infamous burning of churches in Norway... satanic acts in favour of the mythical Devil? Well, some interviews showed that its more a case of class divide. The churches symbolised wealth, upper class the Christian society in comparison to the less privileged folks from whom many metalheads come from. Burnin the churches, were a protest against social inequality rather than religious affect.
Fifthly,
Your innocent pop idols use sex to sell.... metal simply uses gothic images to sell to the other folks who are sick of candy ass bitches.
Lastly,
for all hardcore metalheads... metal as music is a highly disciplined art form which has a niche audience. We are not concerned that others may not like it like we do, or appreciate the musicianship involved in what they call noise, but its use of techniques, band teamwork and progressions remain one of the tightest and demanding in the sense that the first to go are personal egos and the last to emerge is a unified and coherent structure best suited to aggression and the darker reflections of life.
That is metal.
And I am sure other metalheads here know even more than the very little that I have pointed out here.
If any folks here still prefer surface ignorance and religious bigotry to define a disicplined art form, then I suggest they make more informed comments before they run the risk of looking really stupid.
Lastly, as a parting FYI:
Satanism, in the academic sense, means a certain nihilism and the practice of no holds barred attitude to life. Very hedonistic as well. Its best summed up as "If I like it, I do it".....
Remains you more of the kind of lifestyle and ideas propagated by more mainstream pop cultures doesn't it?
The video Metal, A Headbanger's Journey is a good start.
Secondly,
Metal or even rock was considered satanic because of the use of the Tritone, or whta many call the Devil's note, another misleading phrase that has led to today's ignorance. This harks back to classical music theory after the Renaissance and is a great example of religious anachronism.
Thirdly,
Metal from Europe has its roots in the reclamation of ancient ancestry roots before Christian domination. The Christian conquerors outlawed these practices, called them paganistic. Again, powerplay and politics, for those here more conversant with history. Some metal bands proclaim their "paganistic" roots and act against what they view as cultural domination. Even in Asia, bands like Cthonic strive on reviving Taiwanese Aboriginal language and history before the Chinese Conquerors. All these however made them look "satanic" to an uninformed audience.
Fourthly,
the infamous burning of churches in Norway... satanic acts in favour of the mythical Devil? Well, some interviews showed that its more a case of class divide. The churches symbolised wealth, upper class the Christian society in comparison to the less privileged folks from whom many metalheads come from. Burnin the churches, were a protest against social inequality rather than religious affect.
Fifthly,
Your innocent pop idols use sex to sell.... metal simply uses gothic images to sell to the other folks who are sick of candy ass bitches.
Lastly,
for all hardcore metalheads... metal as music is a highly disciplined art form which has a niche audience. We are not concerned that others may not like it like we do, or appreciate the musicianship involved in what they call noise, but its use of techniques, band teamwork and progressions remain one of the tightest and demanding in the sense that the first to go are personal egos and the last to emerge is a unified and coherent structure best suited to aggression and the darker reflections of life.
That is metal.
And I am sure other metalheads here know even more than the very little that I have pointed out here.
If any folks here still prefer surface ignorance and religious bigotry to define a disicplined art form, then I suggest they make more informed comments before they run the risk of looking really stupid.
Lastly, as a parting FYI:
Satanism, in the academic sense, means a certain nihilism and the practice of no holds barred attitude to life. Very hedonistic as well. Its best summed up as "If I like it, I do it".....
Remains you more of the kind of lifestyle and ideas propagated by more mainstream pop cultures doesn't it?
AEnimic
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OMG! i see horns coming out of my speakers...
and yeah ^^ this guy speaks the truth...metal is UNIFICATION!!!
and they use much better way to sell their music..*though there are some SnM involved* its way better coz u dun see metalheads suddenly flash their ding dongs and say it was a wardrobe malfunction...
coz unlike popstars...metal musicians wear their own wardrobe clothes!!
and yeah ^^ this guy speaks the truth...metal is UNIFICATION!!!
and they use much better way to sell their music..*though there are some SnM involved* its way better coz u dun see metalheads suddenly flash their ding dongs and say it was a wardrobe malfunction...
coz unlike popstars...metal musicians wear their own wardrobe clothes!!
Tribalcast
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MadWereWolfBoy said:
You would be surprised at the demand of metal concerts in Singapore.
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